National Championship

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#251
Dragon18 said:
Well... maybe Izzo needs to improve that part of his job? Last time I checked recruiting is in the job description. But, that being said, K has owned Izzo head to head and that is a much better gauge than your subjective opinion.
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Welcome to the conversation. It's always been about me saying K is the best because he's the best recruiter and built the best program. It seems we agree.
 
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#252
n_huffhines said:
Welcome to the conversation. It's always been about me saying K is the best because he's the best recruiter and built the best program. It seems we agree.
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Not totally. I'm pretty well convinced K is an excellent Xs and Os coach and our opinions apparently differ on that point.
 
#253
#253
n_huffhines said:
WTF.

First of all, I didn't compare him to anyone. The guy said Scheyer was running point. Nolan Smith was.

Second, I've never heard of a guy who averaged 20 and 5 in the ACC referred to as serviceable.
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Nolan Smith was not an elite CBB point guard.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I agree, but he was very good. You called him "serviceable above average", which I can't agree with.
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For all of Coach K's national championship point guards, Nolan Smith is a distant fourth behind Tyus Jones, Jason Williams and Bobby Hurley.

Nolan Smith is a poor example imo.
 
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K's tactics to close out the first half should be evidence enough to prove his supreme Xs and Os acumen. Bottom line though, you play to win the game. K wins in abundance.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
For all of Coach K's national championship point guards, Nolan Smith is a distant fourth behind Tyus Jones, Jason Williams and Bobby Hurley.

Nolan Smith is a poor example imo.
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A poor example of what? I don't know what your point is, but you wandered into my discussion with someone else and you seem to be confused about what's being said.

You think a Senior who averaged 20 and 5 is a distant 4th behind a Freshman who averaged 11 and 5?
 
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n_huffhines said:
A poor example of what? I don't know what your point is, but you wandered into my discussion with someone else and you seem to be confused about what's being said.

You think a Senior who averaged 20 and 5 is a distant 4th behind a Freshman who averaged 11 and 5?
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I'm talking talent, not stats.

Comparing their respective freshman years, Tyus Jones is on a different planet than Nolan Smith.

Projecting three years from now, 2yr NBA vet Tyus Jones will be miles ahead of 2010 Duke senior Nolan Smith.

From a talent standpoint, Nolan Smith is easily #4 on that list.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
I'm talking talent, not stats.

Comparing their respective freshman years, Tyus Jones is on a different planet than Nolan Smith.

Projecting three years from now, 2yr NBA vet Tyus Jones will be miles ahead of 2010 Duke senior Nolan Smith.

From a talent standpoint, Nolan Smith is easily #4 on that list.
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Why on earth are you talking about how good Tyus Jones will be? How does it relate to the conversation?
 
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#261
n_huffhines said:
Why on earth are you talking about how good Tyus Jones will be? How does it relate to the conversation?
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He's already better than Nolan Smith.

You brought up Nolan Smith, as if he was an elite PG, when he's the least talented of Coach K's championship PGs.
 
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Duke wins with talent but they don't always have the best talent. They win because K is a great coach and they play selflessly and with unreal effort all the time. Many years, several teams have been more talented. That 2010 team was not full of studs. Kyle Singler and Nolan Smith were the 2 best players. Not exactly NBA all stars. The season turned when K decided to go big and put Scheyrer at the point and play Zoubek. Lawrence is right, Scheyrer was the point on that team and the starting five included Lance Thomas too. To me, K almost always gets the most out of his talent. This year, he had talent but to win the championship this year with Okafor being a non factor was another great job.
 
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#265
n_huffhines said:
Why on earth are you talking about how good Tyus Jones will be? How does it relate to the conversation?
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Your "proof" is comparing stats of a FR to those of a SR. Not really a solid comparison.

And Nolan was a Jr the year they won the NC not a SR. Scheyer was the PG who had converted from SG for the last 9 games the previous season.
 
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n_huffhines said:
BTW, Izzo is my top guy when it comes to actual game preparation and game management.
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This is why Ron White had the joke about "You can fix stupid! There ain't a pill or surgery!"LOL Dude you are way out there! Call me when Tom finally gets even with coach k.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Your "proof" is comparing stats of a FR to those of a SR. Not really a solid comparison.

And Nolan was a Jr the year they won the NC not a SR. Scheyer was the PG who had converted from SG for the last 9 games the previous season.
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OK, so 18 ppg. I am the one who brought up Nolan Smith. I brought him up because he was a very good PG at the time that they won the title. For some reason people want to argue that Tyus Jones is a better talent. I don't really care if he is or isn't, because it's aside from the point. You say it's not a "solid comparison" but we're talking about PGs on championship teams so you evaluate them based on how good they were that year.
 
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n_huffhines said:
OK, so 18 ppg. I am the one who brought up Nolan Smith. I brought him up because he was a very good PG at the time that they won the title. For some reason people want to argue that Tyus Jones is a better talent. I don't really care if he is or isn't, because it's aside from the point. You say it's not a "solid comparison" but we're talking about PGs on championship teams so you evaluate them based on how good they were that year.
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And LW said get back to him when Jones is a SR with 3-4 years of experience (which won't happen) and see who's better. And for the 30th time in this thread Nolan Smith was NOT the PG in 2009-10. Jon Scheyer was.
 
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n_huffhines said:
OK, so 18 ppg. I am the one who brought up Nolan Smith. I brought him up because he was a very good PG at the time that they won the title. For some reason people want to argue that Tyus Jones is a better talent. I don't really care if he is or isn't, because it's aside from the point. You say it's not a "solid comparison" but we're talking about PGs on championship teams so you evaluate them based on how good they were that year.
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I'll make this easier on you. No one will deny that Duke gets great talent( Not always the best talent). The mistake you make is in your opinion that K wins based only on talent and that K is not a great floor coach.
 
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Dragon18 said:
I'll make this easier on you. No one will deny that Duke gets great talent( Not always the best talent). The mistake you make is in your opinion that K wins based only on talent and that K is not a great floor coach.
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This is not my opinion, nor did I express this opinion.
 
#273
#273
n_huffhines said:
Try making sure you made a complete sentence before you burn somebody, next time.
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Good point. I'll do that. Make sure you know what the hell you're talking about before you put it into text form. You should do that too.
 
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#274
bowlinggreenvol said:
And LW said get back to him when Jones is a SR with 3-4 years of experience (which won't happen) and see who's better. And for the 30th time in this thread Nolan Smith was NOT the PG in 2009-10. Jon Scheyer was.
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Is Nolan Smith not a natural PG? Is it inaccurate to include him as PG of a national championship team?

And I think the whole point of the guy who brought up Scheyer was that Scheyer sucked and had to play out of position...but Scheyer was good. He beat out Nolan Smith who was a good, natural PG. It's not like K was winning a title with Steven Pearl running point because that's all he had.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Is Nolan Smith not a natural PG? Is it inaccurate to include him as PG of a national championship team?

And I think the whole point of the guy who brought up Scheyer was that Scheyer sucked and had to play out of position...but Scheyer was good. He beat out Nolan Smith who was a good, natural PG. It's not like K was winning a title with Steven Pearl running point because that's all he had.
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It wasn't that Scheyer sucked, it was that it wasn't his natural position. He didn't beat out Nolan Smith, IT WAS THAT COACH K FIGURED OUT WHAT WAS BEST FOR THE TEAM, AND WHAT PIECES FIT THE BEST FOR THAT PARTICULAR SQUAD. Coach K actually watches film and stuff.
 
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