National Championship

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#204
Go Duke! Really didn't think they would even get to this game, yet alone win. Fantastic!
 
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Smartvol17 said:
I wonder where Kaminsky goes in the draft. I would consider taking him over towns or Cauley-stein due to his offensive abilities seeming to fit well in the NBA. Reminds me somewhat of Kevin love
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needs to go to a good team that has a great set of players already.. Not a build a team around type player
 
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DeepSpringsVol said:
Obviously Coach K is superior to Calipari. Not much of a question. But a lot of credit goes to high IQ players that Duke gets. Kentucky gets measurables that makes NBA salivate but not the brightest of kids.
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You look at the teams they've had and they've been led by the same type of players UK gets. Irving/Parker/Okafor etc etc. Coach K is obviously a better coach. But Duke's success is not because the IQ of any player over another. It's the team chemistry and in-game coaching of ratface.

golfballs said:
Now what if frank Kandinsky - in reference to okafor - pulls an Andrew Harrison?
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He'd rightly get blasted for it.
 
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LittleCat said:
You look at the teams they've had and they've been led by the same type of players UK gets. Irving/Parker/Okafor etc etc. Coach K is obviously a better coach. But Duke's success is not because the IQ of any player over another. It's the team chemistry and in-game coaching of ratface.



He'd rightly get blasted for it.
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Just listening to the FR from both teams talk and the IQ's seem very one sided.
 
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Final thought from my perspective of the season is that it ended like it should. One of the four best teams won it, at least getting to challenge another of the top four. Two of the better tourney games I can remember, Wisconsin/UK and Wisconsin/Duke. Duke got the easiest path to the title game, but damn they are a great team. Coach K is cementing his place as the best coach ever. And it's not close imo. Wisconsin won't sniff a final four anytime soon, so I feel bad for them. UK/Duke will have completely new teams, so I'm unsure of what to expect. UVA will be really good again. UNC and UF will be elite. Hopefully Indiana finally fires Crean.
 
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I have a weird love/hate relationship with K. He's the best, but I kinda hate K as an Xs and Os guy. I think he has 5 championships because he's had the best players for the last 30 years. That all goes to his credit as a recruiter and program builder, but I can't stand his in-game coaching. He just lets his guys out-talent you.
 
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Just reinforces what everyone who has watched college basketball for the last 15-20 years can tell you. There's a reason only a few programs have won titles. The deck is stacked.
 
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golfballs said:
Reggie miller was right. It went both ways
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No, it wasn't. The Badgers were blatantly getting screwed and the game started getting called very differently once UW went up 9. Ryan was spot on with his comments about the ref, but I wish he left it there and not thrown out the "rent a player" line. No way Ryan turns down an Okafor from Chicago, if he wanted to go to Madison.

Otherwise, I wish all these media types complaining about the whining of Ryan would do the same when Coach K does a halftime interview and does the same thing with a passive-aggressive whine about the fouls.
 
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LittleCat said:
Final thought from my perspective of the season is that it ended like it should. One of the four best teams won it, at least getting to challenge another of the top four. Two of the better tourney games I can remember, Wisconsin/UK and Wisconsin/Duke. Duke got the easiest path to the title game, but damn they are a great team. Coach K is cementing his place as the best coach ever. And it's not close imo. Wisconsin won't sniff a final four anytime soon, so I feel bad for them. UK/Duke will have completely new teams, so I'm unsure of what to expect. UVA will be really good again. UNC and UF will be elite. Hopefully Indiana finally fires Crean.
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Best coach of his generation and/or the modern era? I will agree with you there. Best of all time? No. This resume indicates that the Wizard of Westwood, John Wooden, still deserves that distinction:

*1964 NCAA National Championship
*1965 NCAA National Championship
*1967 NCAA National Championship
*1968 NCAA National Championship
*1969 NCAA National Championship
*1970 NCAA National Championship
*1971 NCAA National Championship
*1972 NCAA National Championship
*1973 NCAA National Championship
*1975 NCAA National Championship
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
Best coach of his generation and/or the modern era? I will agree with you there. Best of all time? No. This resume indicates that the Wizard of Westwood, John Wooden, still deserves that distinction:

*1964 NCAA National Championship
*1965 NCAA National Championship
*1967 NCAA National Championship
*1968 NCAA National Championship
*1969 NCAA National Championship
*1970 NCAA National Championship
*1971 NCAA National Championship
*1972 NCAA National Championship
*1973 NCAA National Championship
*1975 NCAA National Championship
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If you look further at Wooden's UCLA career, you will see that there was nothing special in his first 13 years from 1948-1961. They weren't bad but they only made the NCAA tournament 3 times and they never made a regional final. Cal-Berkeley (coached by Pete Newell) was their biggest rival in the 50's and Newell pretty much owned Wooden and UCLA.

Things sure did pick up in the early 60's for UCLA but that had much more to do with the influence of UCLA booster and well known sugar daddy Sam Gilbert than it did with any improvement in Wooden's coaching or recruiting. You can always fall back on the 'everybody cheats' excuse but what Sam Gilbert did for the UCLA basketball players during their great run was excessive by any standard. I don't think Wooden had a part in the lavish extra benefits but there is no doubt his head was buried in the sand. UCLA eventually did go on probation over Gilbert but the NCAA chose to wait until Wooden had retired to do anything. Wooden's successor, Gene Bartow, left UCLA for UAB (a start up program) because he had tried disassociating Gilbert from the program and realized that only the NCAA could do that. Bartow admitted in a letter to David Berst (an NCAA enforcement official) that he was afraid of Gilbert and thanked him for 'saving his life' for not launching an inquiry into Gilbert's involvement with UCLA until he had time to find another job.

The long and short of it all: The Wooden era should have an asterisk by it. No athletic program has trampled the rule book they way they did.
 
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How this Final Four played out should at least create curiosity in your minds about the corruption of the NCAA. Before the tourney began I told my friends and family Duke would win it all unless they just cratered because this was to be Coach K's 'grow the legend year' by decree. So then the whistles start in the second half last night and it just confirmed it all. The corruption that runs rampant throughout the NCAA is mind boggling. How was UNC still even having a team, much less getting the opportunity to play in the tourney? In football how does Miami even have a football program in existence, when they were doing things far in excess of what SMU ever thought about when they were given the death penalty? There is so much money in college athletics that they cannot afford to have permanent, professional officials that operate under a third party's control at arm's length from the participants and the organization that controls them? Really? Corrupt to the core. Sickening.

As Vol fans- just be happy if Barnes regularly gets our guys in the tourney. Anything that happens after that is already scripted barring an unexpected collapse by the anointed.
 
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I don't know why Wisconsin people are complaining about the refs. Wisconsin never had stars in foul trouble. Duke did. Winslow and Okafor had really bad calls against them. Okafor was annihilating Kaminsky in the low post. Wisconsin had a 9 point lead because of bad calls.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I have a weird love/hate relationship with K. He's the best, but I kinda hate K as an Xs and Os guy. I think he has 5 championships because he's had the best players for the last 30 years. That all goes to his credit as a recruiter and program builder, but I can't stand his in-game coaching. He just lets his guys out-talent you.
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So you think that Coach K's 1991 team was better than UNLV?:loco: I am not even sure that his 1992 team was less talented than the fab 5! Duke schedule this season is what had them prepared for last nights game. I know people will say they had the easiest road to the final 4 but look at who they played during the season:
At Virgina
At Louisville
Neutral site vs Michigan State
At ND
Home against ND
At Wisconsin
At UNC
HOME - UNC
At NC state
then the NCAA
Gonzaga
Michigan State
Utah
Wisconsin
 
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n_huffhines said:
I have a weird love/hate relationship with K. He's the best, but I kinda hate K as an Xs and Os guy. I think he has 5 championships because he's had the best players for the last 30 years. That all goes to his credit as a recruiter and program builder, but I can't stand his in-game coaching. He just lets his guys out-talent you.
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if that was the case, what's Calipari's excuse?
 
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chieftn15 said:
So you think that Coach K's 1991 team was better than UNLV?:loco: I am not even sure that his 1992 team was less talented than the fab 5! Duke schedule this season is what had them prepared for last nights game.
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I actually don't think that, but thanks for making up an opinion for me and then mocking it.
 
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jpope9 said:
if that was the case, what's Calipari's excuse?
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I agree that Calipari may be an underachiever based on his talent, but he can't keep guys longer than a year. This was the first "young" Duke team to win it all, wasn't it?

Also, Calipari has only been getting top talent for like 10-12 years.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I have a weird love/hate relationship with K. He's the best, but I kinda hate K as an Xs and Os guy. I think he has 5 championships because he's had the best players for the last 30 years. That all goes to his credit as a recruiter and program builder, but I can't stand his in-game coaching. He just lets his guys out-talent you.
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Yeah he just rolls the ball out there and sees what happens. Duke totally out talented everyone in 2010 with Scheyer running the point.
 
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