Navy SEALS slam Obama.

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Gramps said:
The CG rate was 28% when Reagan took office and 28% when Reagan left office.
He signed 11 tax increases into law in 7 years.

Yeah that was the REAL cuts that Reagan signed it law.
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did I mention Reagan?....but if you want to go there.....tax revenues ROSE 53% in his years in office and it was not on the backs of the "wealthy"
 
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therealUT said:
Negative, Professor Keynes. Jobs come from production; production comes from capital. You would be better off discarding Keynes and Krugman and picking up Smith, Friedman, Nozick, and Hayek.

Look at what has happened to the American economy since Keynesian Economics became the "mod" school of economics: over 1,000% inflation.
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You think that our economy is stagnant due to low production ?!?!?!

And not low demand for goods and services?

What is you, ignorant?
 
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Half of the people in this country don't pay taxes and the left is yelling about fairness. Sounds about right
 
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lawgator1 said:
Demand.

If you want to see this economy turn around overnight, end the Bush tax cuts for those making over $500,000 a year and make corollary cut in that amount for those making $50,000 to $200,000 a year.

Demand for cars, appliances, computers, vacations, new homes, etc., will skyrocket.
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Come on those making under 100k per year are not paying that much in income taxes unless they are stupid. If you wanted to make a difference take up the cause to eliminate all of the ancillary taxes that eat eat you up.
 
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utvolpj said:
Half of the people in this country don't pay taxes and the left is yelling about fairness. Sounds about right
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I think everyone in the country who makes income should pay tax on it.

I think all rates should be lowered.

I think all income falling within the range of a given rate, should pay that rate. There should not be different rates for different sources of income.

How about this : collect all tax as income is earned. Period. No deductions. No breaks. Pay it and move on.

No tax returns. No lawyers. No need for IRS collection. Collect as you go.
 
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Gramps said:
I wonder how many people realize that the old tax and spend Jimmy Carter gave the rich the most sacred tax cut they hold dear: a capital gains tax cut in 1978, from 39 to 28 percent. Thus, Carter gave the rich their first tax cut in 15 years.
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MG1968 said:
didn't help that mortgage interest rates were just south of 30%
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Mortgage never got close to 30%, nor 20%... gets some facts straight.

Mortgage rate were at 14.9% when Reagan took office. That is as high as they reached under Carter.

They did climb to 17.82% under Reagan before they started falling.
 
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T-TownVol said:
did I mention Reagan?....but if you want to go there.....tax revenues ROSE 53% in his years in office and it was not on the backs of the "wealthy"
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Tax revenues should have rose 53% in his years in office with the 11 tax increases he signed into law. He also set CG tax as ordinary income topping out at 28%

Here is your earlier statement which had to include Reagan.

T-TownVol said:
ding, ding, ding.....and then the REAL cut came and look what happened through the 80s and 90s.....then the spending started and here we stand
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Reagan was president 81-89, Bush 1 was president 89-93- Clinton 93-2001

Reagan raised taxes 11 times , Bush 1 raised taxes.. Where did the REAL cuts come from. Reagan also tripled the debt.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, I'm done with the issue for purposes of this thread.

There are two ways to analyze it. You guys do it one way, I look at it another. I think we can see the other's point of view, though we believe our own is correct.

Classic agree to disagree.
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No we aren't agreeing to disagree. We are saying you're dead wrong.
 
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Gramps said:
Tax revenues should have rose 53% in his years in office with the 11 tax increases he signed into law. He also set CG tax as ordinary income topping out at 28%

Here is your earlier statement which had to include Reagan.



Reagan was president 81-89, Bush 1 was president 89-93- Clinton 93-2001

Reagan raised taxes 11 times , Bush 1 raised taxes.. Where did the REAL cuts come from. Reagan also tripled the debt.
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You are confused on who signed that tax cut back in 1981. I will send you to the web site CNN Money to an article titled "Taxes: What People Forget About Reagan". That article will refresh your memory about the "Patron Saint of Lower Taxes".

I have said all along that spending has NEVER been under control by any administration. I agree that Reagan did not control the debt, but that was not my point.
The MOST credit coming from me is to Clinton if you must know. You just assummed that i meant Reagan because I am such a conservative and I can see where you would get that.

Raising taxes right now will stunt the recovery....PERIOD.
 
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just to clarify, this thread is about whether or not Navy Seals should be subject to double taxation right?

carry on.
 
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T-TownVol said:
You are confused on who signed that tax cut back in 1981. I will send you to the web site CNN Money to an article titled "Taxes: What People Forget About Reagan". That article will refresh your memory about the "Patron Saint of Lower Taxes".

I have said all along that spending has NEVER been under control by any administration. I agree that Reagan did not control the debt, but that was not my point.
The MOST credit coming from me is to
Clinton if you must know. You just assummed that i meant Reagan because I am such a conservative and I can see where you would get that.

Raising taxes right now will stunt the recovery....PERIOD.
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There was a tax cut in 1981. He also raised taxes in 7 of his 8 years in office. He raised taxes 4 times in 2 years.

Reagan was not afraid to raise taxes.
 
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volinbham said:
just to clarify, this thread is about whether or not Navy Seals should be subject to double taxation right?

carry on.
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If I can read you have been discussing CG taxes in this tread the last two days, right?
 
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Gramps said:
If I can read you have been discussing CG taxes in this tread the last two days, right?
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More dividends than CG taxes (which are materially different) but yes. I was referring to the thread title and the complete lack of most posts having anything to do with Navy Seals.
 
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volinbham said:
More dividends than CG taxes (which are materially different) but yes. I was referring to the thread title and the complete lack of most posts having anything to do with Navy Seals.
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I took your post wrong. I do apologize.
You are correct nothing to do with Navy Seals has been discussed in this thread since Monday afternoon.
 
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Gramps said:
There was a tax cut in 1981. He also raised taxes in 7 of his 8 years in office. He raised taxes 4 times in 2 years.

Reagan was not afraid to raise taxes.
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Being Mr Correction and all, I assume you're eventually going to get your crap straight and mention the heavily D congress that bowed to Tip's fat, lazy ass.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Being Mr Correction and all, I assume you're eventually going to get your crap straight and mention the heavily D congress that bowed to Tip's fat, lazy ass.
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You need to study some American History BPV.
You appear to be confused.

During the entire Reagan years the GOP had control of the Senate.
The GOP was charge of White House and the Senate.
No bill could be passed without the GOP approval.
 
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Weezer said:
No disrespect to Admiral McRaven, but I seriously doubt it was his call to take out bin Laden. We're talking about invading an "allied" nation to carry out an assassination. That call comes from the President. Could he have recommended it? Yes, but it was still Obama's decision.

The SEALs are the true heroes. They put their lives on the line. The problem I have with these "arguements" is they do it out of loyalty and patriotism, not to be recognized. It's about "mission accomplished", not "look at us we're heroes".

I don't disagree with the assertion Romney wouldn't have made the same decision. The one thing Obama has done that I support is making this call. It took balls, IMO. I'm not sure anyone since Reagan would have made the same choice.

IMO, Obama deserves credit for making the decision, but the SEALs deserve credit(and much respect) for getting it done.

Back to Admiral McRaven, he's a soldier. Do you honestly believe he makes that decision without the approval of his CIC? No way. We've all seen the pictures of Obama and others watching the raid go down. As CIC, at any point he could have given the order to stand down. Did he? That is just a ludicrous assertion.
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The stories I could tell
 
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Gramps said:
You need to study some American History BPV.
You appear to be confused.

During the entire Reagan years the GOP had control of the Senate.
The GOP was charge of White House and the Senate.
No bill could be passed without the GOP approval.
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Did I say it could? The entire congress bowed to Tip, regardless and the POS never gave on any pro business measure without exacting a huge return, which was almost always a tax hike.
 
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Gramps said:
I took your post wrong. I do apologize.
You are correct nothing to do with Navy Seals has been discussed in this thread since Monday afternoon.
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Or it could be my posts have been deleted by our resident orwelian moderators.

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