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BigOrangeTrain said:
Look at the two head coaches before Saban at MSU.
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i know what Saban inherited. And it wasn’t any worse than what Heupel inherited. In fact, it was better. You excusing Heupel if he doesn’t make a bowl in his 4th year, as Saban did not, because he took over for bad coaches with an NCAA cloud?

Something tells me no.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
And how was MSU before and after Saban?
Saban has 1 embarrassing loss. How does that compare to freeze. At MSU and LSWHO how did Saban do against the spread? In other words how did he preform compared to expectations? How does that compare to Freeze?


Freeze is the most overrated coach ever.
I could understand if his record looked like Urban Cryers. But sadly it’s a lot closer to Botch Jones.
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See my post above.

I’m not arguing for or against Freeze. I was replying to the post that Saban “won at MSU.” That’s it. He was a .500 coach at MSU for 4 years. He didn’t win much. If Heupel had done that at UT, our fans would be calling for his head, not pointing out what a bad situation he inherited.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
See my post above.

I’m not arguing for or against Freeze. I was replying to the post that Saban “won at MSU.” That’s it. He was a .500 coach at MSU for 4 years. He didn’t win much. If Heupel had done that at UT, our fans would be calling for his head, not pointing out what a bad situation he inherited.
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Again, he absolutely won at MSU. He won against the spread and consistently beat teams he should have lost too.


Now, I personally think he’s a garbage human being. Playing guys accused of rape and players who hit women….but that’s not what we’re talking about. Although that is a way that he and Freeze are the same.
 
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Chadwell took Freeze's 8-5 Liberty program and went undefeated. Looks like Liberty has better coaching now. Outside of Freeze's two wins against Saban, what exactly has he done to prove he's such a great coach? Look at his record at Ole Miss. His good years were 9-4 and then 10-3 followed by 5-7 before he was fired for banging hookers. At Liberty he got them to 10 wins during the COVID season and followed it up with 8-5 and 8-5. History shows that he's more likely to make Auburn an 8 win program (good not great) rather than a consistent playoff contender. He's supposed to be an offensive guru but Auburn's offense was terrible and didn't look any better this season. Isn't that a bit of a red flag?

For comparison, Heupel is an offensive guru and we saw a massive improvement in the offense his first season. Even the drop-off this season was still better than what we've seen since Dobbs' last season in 2016.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Again, he absolutely won at MSU. He won against the spread and consistently beat teams he should have lost too.


Now, I personally think he’s a garbage human being. Playing guys accused of rape and players who hit women….but that’s not what we’re talking about. Although that is a way that he and Freeze are the same.
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He won against the spread? And here I am thinking the actual scores are the important measure!

Some of y’all will just say any ol’ thing.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
He won against the spread? And here I am thinking the actual scores are the important measure!

Some of y’all will just say any ol’ thing.
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Did he exceed expectations on a regular basis?
He he win games that the other team was favored?
Did he do it at a higher percentage rate than other coaches?

I know you don’t like the answers. Neither do I but trying to suggest that because he lost a game once that other coaches should be excused a horrible loss is just stupid. It should stop.

That’s why we’re having this conversation. Not his msu record which is a small part of the point
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Did he exceed expectations on a regular basis?
He he win games that the other team was favored?
Did he do it at a higher percentage rate than other coaches?

I know you don’t like the answers. Neither do I but trying to suggest that because he lost a game once that other coaches should be excused a horrible loss is just stupid. It should stop.

That’s why we’re having this conversation. Not his msu record which is a small part of the point
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I’m not typing out my reply again because this stupid site refreshes mid-post and deletes everything (is that ever going to be fixed?), but I’m fine with the answers, so long as folks apply the same grace to Heupel, who took over a situation as or more difficult, and has performed better.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
I’m not typing out my reply again because this stupid site refreshes mid-post and deletes everything (is that ever going to be fixed?), but I’m fine with the answers, so long as folks apply the same grace to Heupel, who took over a situation as or more difficult, and has performed better.
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I’ve hate that with a passion. @Freak is punishing us.
The people who matter are not getting rid of Hypell for at least 4 more years. If we could not get out of cornbreads buyout, he would not have been fired and it was 10 million.
Hypels is in the 30s.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Stop with this BS. Freeze got out coached BADLY by NMst. Just like Pruitt got out coached by Georgia State. His wins at Ole Miss are irrelevant.
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Sure Thing expert! The wins against Saban and his vastly more talented teams don’t count.
only the losses that you want to include do.
Can’t argue with stupid.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’ve hate that with a passion. @Freak is punishing us.
The people who matter are not getting rid of Hypell for at least 4 more years. If we could not get out of cornbreads buyout, he would not have been fired and it was 10 million.
Hypels is in the 30s.
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Oh, I know he's not getting fired anytime soon. I'm more referring to some of our fans. A lot of them, actually.

Saban is the greatest coach of all-time. He was once faced with a situation like Tennessee's, although arguably less daunting, given that the Big 10 isn't the SEC and the roster situation wasn't as dire...and he wasn't nearly as successful. So let's give Heupel & staff some credit for doing what he's done, given the circumstances (and I'm not saying you're one of these folks).
 
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NighthawkVol said:
Oh, I know he's not getting fired anytime soon. I'm more referring to some of our fans. A lot of them, actually.

Saban is the greatest coach of all-time. He was once faced with a situation like Tennessee's, although arguably less daunting, given that the Big 10 isn't the SEC and the roster situation wasn't as dire...and he wasn't nearly as successful. So let's give Heupel & staff some credit for doing what he's done, given the circumstances (and I'm not saying you're one of these folks).
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Ya, I think there’s a group of our “fans” that enjoy the coaching search more than the games
 
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utvols83 said:
Chadwell took Freeze's 8-5 Liberty program and went undefeated. Looks like Liberty has better coaching now. Outside of Freeze's two wins against Saban, what exactly has he done to prove he's such a great coach? Look at his record at Ole Miss. His good years were 9-4 and then 10-3 followed by 5-7 before he was fired for banging hookers. At Liberty he got them to 10 wins during the COVID season and followed it up with 8-5 and 8-5. History shows that he's more likely to make Auburn an 8 win program (good not great) rather than a consistent playoff contender. He's supposed to be an offensive guru but Auburn's offense was terrible and didn't look any better this season. Isn't that a bit of a red flag?

For comparison, Heupel is an offensive guru and we saw a massive improvement in the offense his first season. Even the drop-off this season was still better than what we've seen since Dobbs' last season in 2016.
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Such a weird thing fanbases do, when they attempt to find any reason to trash a great coach.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Such a weird thing fanbases do, when they attempt to find any reason to trash a great coach.
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Such an odd thing some folks do...let a couple of wins distract them from the overall record. He's a good coach, but he needs to put a consistent product on the field before he's labeled as being "great". That's why we don't call Gene Chizik and Jimbo Fisher great coaches even though they've won a National Championship.
 
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NighthawkVol said:
I’m not typing out my reply again because this stupid site refreshes mid-post and deletes everything (is that ever going to be fixed?), but I’m fine with the answers, so long as folks apply the same grace to Heupel, who took over a situation as or more difficult, and has performed better.
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I thought that only happened to me lol
 
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utvols83 said:
Chadwell took Freeze's 8-5 Liberty program and went undefeated. Looks like Liberty has better coaching now. Outside of Freeze's two wins against Saban, what exactly has he done to prove he's such a great coach? Look at his record at Ole Miss. His good years were 9-4 and then 10-3 followed by 5-7 before he was fired for banging hookers. At Liberty he got them to 10 wins during the COVID season and followed it up with 8-5 and 8-5. History shows that he's more likely to make Auburn an 8 win program (good not great) rather than a consistent playoff contender. He's supposed to be an offensive guru but Auburn's offense was terrible and didn't look any better this season. Isn't that a bit of a red flag?

For comparison, Heupel is an offensive guru and we saw a massive improvement in the offense his first season. Even the drop-off this season was still better than what we've seen since Dobbs' last season in 2016.
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Check the score and record of the Bowl Game that Liberty and Coastal Carolina played.
And who the coaches were of each...
Check LIBERTYS record...🙄
 
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utvols83 said:
Chadwell took Freeze's 8-5 Liberty program and went undefeated. Looks like Liberty has better coaching now. Outside of Freeze's two wins against Saban, what exactly has he done to prove he's such a great coach? Look at his record at Ole Miss. His good years were 9-4 and then 10-3 followed by 5-7 before he was fired for banging hookers. At Liberty he got them to 10 wins during the COVID season and followed it up with 8-5 and 8-5. History shows that he's more likely to make Auburn an 8 win program (good not great) rather than a consistent playoff contender. He's supposed to be an offensive guru but Auburn's offense was terrible and didn't look any better this season. Isn't that a bit of a red flag?

For comparison, Heupel is an offensive guru and we saw a massive improvement in the offense his first season. Even the drop-off this season was still better than what we've seen since Dobbs' last season in 2016.
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Here I'll do it for you. Freeze beat Chadwell during their best seasons.

Also I still would love to have Chadwell as a HC at Tennessee. If Heupel were to leave...
 

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LittleVol said:
Here I'll do it for you. Freeze beat Chadwell during their best seasons.

Also I still would love to have Chadwell as a HC at Tennessee. If Heupel were to leave...
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That doesn't change the point I was making about Freeze's overall record. That was Freeze's best season at Liberty and look at the record the next two seasons. Go look at his Ole Miss records and see how he followed up his best season there. He's yet to show he can field consistently great teams. My argument is that he's a good coach that has yet to prove he's the elite coach some seem to think he is.

As for pointing out that Freeze beat Chadwell...what's your point? You could argue that Freeze had a more talented team than Chadwell...much like Dooley at UT vs Butch at Cincinnati. Dooley beat Butch yet Butch won more at Tennessee than Dooley did. Freeze beat Chadwell and now Chadwell is winning more at Liberty (so far) than Freeze did.
 
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