'21 NC OT Diego Pounds (Ole Miss)

[Stoerner Fumbles]

People laugh about it but there’s a ton of old money(plantation) in Mississippi
I don’t know if that’s how the school formally known as the rebels got the money but…..

Thank you, Scarlett.

 

[CAVPUT]

Agree but some would argue after two decades of being in the wilderness that this staff is already rebuilding and is headed in right direction to compete for NC by stacking elite talent at postions like QB, edge, DL.

I realize that people want to use NIL to outbid for every shiny object entering portal but that is a tactic move that will destroy the strategic culture that CJH wants to build of family and the resentment that will come with that will cause constant turnover of the pieces you want to keep.

If they were to go pay one of these OTs twice what they just gave current OL, maybe mays or others declares for draft Or portal in spring. Then what?

I don't disagree at all. I truly believe Heupel's way is the better way vs what aTm did in recruiting or what FSU and now Ole Miss is doing in the portal. The vast majority of the players in the portal just weren't good enough to crack the lineup at their current schools. We're taking "backups" in most cases. Sometimes you get a kid from a lower level/program who is a competitor and he wants to show out in the best league in the country for the pros. Those guys are gold. Then there are others who just want to start cashing in now like Judkins. One year rentals. I find it all distasteful, but I go back to Doug Atkins so my view of how the game should be is different.

For me, this sense of urgency, while not my nature, is due to what might be another generational talent at QB. I remember how special it was when we had Manning. Tons of talent came through our program yet we never cracked the glass ceiling until after he left. Maybe that happens again and history repeats? Don't know, but honestly, we likely won't see Nico do what Manning did and return for a senior season. Our time with him is so, so short I suspect. That being the case, I'd hoped we'd be able to hit on a couple of OL in the portal who could at least be as good or a bit better than what we already have. It would be great to see him get the kind of protection Penix gets at UW instead of seeing him sacked 6 times vs Iowa. We both know our luck with injuries stinks. We both know it's gonna come next season, too. To see one of the few seasons with Nico fall to bad luck with OL injuries...again...and not have a reasonable backup is just hard to stomach in Heupel's year 4. Then again, if our OL and Sampson don't do a better job in protection, Nico might not make it a full season either. We need help for the OL from somewhere, anywhere.

 

[bpalmer28]

The odds of finding a family whose wealth truly traces back that far are extremely low. It’s very rare wealth lasts more than a couple of generations

This is true. My great, great grandfather owned slaves but my dad grew up poor. My grandad lived paycheck to paycheck as a butane heater salesman. Most of the pre-war rich people were rich in confederate money. That went to 0. Those who managed to preserve their wealth did so through good land management/farming

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

I went to look at any news on the kid and...

LOL

 

[bpalmer28]

They had big money from those families and farmers
And big money from those lasts bc the new generations keep making money on top of it
Big money from the deep old south is still very prevalent
Hell it’s part of the reason the south is so nice and wealthy

Are you from here? Mississippi?

 

[Dadof2Vols]

I don't disagree at all. I truly believe Heupel's way is the better way vs what aTm did in recruiting or what FSU and now Ole Miss is doing in the portal. The vast majority of the players in the portal just weren't good enough to crack the lineup at their current schools. We're taking "backups" in most cases. Sometimes you get a kid from a lower level/program who is a competitor and he wants to show out in the best league in the country for the pros. Those guys are gold. Then there are others who just want to start cashing in now like Judkins. One year rentals. I find it all distasteful, but I go back to Doug Atkins so my view of how the game should be is different.

For me, this sense of urgency, while not my nature, is due to what might be another generational talent at QB. I remember how special it was when we had Manning. Tons of talent came through our program yet we never cracked the glass ceiling until after he left. Maybe that happens again and history repeats? Don't know, but honestly, we likely won't see Nico do what Manning did and return for a senior season. Our time with him is so, so short I suspect. That being the case, I'd hoped we'd be able to hit on a couple of OL in the portal who could at least be as good or a bit better than what we already have. It would be great to see him get the kind of protection Penix gets at UW instead of seeing him sacked 6 times vs Iowa. We both know our luck with injuries stinks. We both know it's gonna come next season, too. To see one of the few seasons with Nico fall to bad luck with OL injuries...again...and not have a reasonable backup is just hard to stomach in Heupel's year 4. Then again, if our OL and Sampson don't do a better job in protection, Nico might not make it a full season either. We need help for the OL from somewhere, anywhere.

Agree, it is a fine line they are walking and not just pay whatever an OT wants.

I think people also need to realize that Sampson must block or he is not the answer and in the Iowa game he was as responsible for sacks as was OL.

 

[drvenner]

AP says we have Mississippi State OT Percy Lewis visiting this weekend. He’s 6’8” 340lbs. Last week he visited Ole Miss, Auburn, and Arkansas. I take him visiting us this weekend as a good sign that he hasn’t gotten quite what he wanted out of these other visits. AP also said we are trying to get more visitors along the OL because we don’t want to wait and put all our eggs in the Heard basket, but he also said we are not out of it yet for heard.

Heard dat!

 

[csprig9]

Are you from here? Mississippi?

I have no clue
Your right
So much history has been removed, destroyed or deleted in the past 5 years people are already forgetting about it and dismissing the past
I’m not saying it’s racist money or Mississippi is racist, it has a past like everyone else

 

[BigSteve09]

Ole Miss it is.

Also this:

Ole miss put the squeeze on him

-AP

Lot to unpack with that one, and this weekend in particular.

 

[bpalmer28]

I have no clue
Your right
So much history has been removed, destroyed or deleted in the past 5 years people are already forgetting about it and dismissing the past
I’m not saying it’s racist money or Mississippi is racist, it has a past like everyone else

Was just asking because you seem to know a good bit about Mississippi history, and I'd like to learn more. I've spent my whole life in Mississippi and I don't know much about it. It's just not talked about. Hell I didn't know my own family had slaves until I was in my 30s and started asking questions. If there's some good books on it that's something I'd be interested in.

 

[JacketVol]

But you can't ignore the new game in town...the transfer portal/NIL. The old days of "flipping the roster" and letting a coach build a program the old way anymore. I was guilty of this previously, but then I see what FSU did using the portal. I see what Ole Miss is trying to do. Not saying that's the way to go, but the idea that you have to give a staff 4-5 years to rebuild is not longer valid. New game, new rules.

Looks like Florida State is going to suck now if they don’t get 15 more. Not sub stainable

 

[DaddyChad]

Ole Miss it is.

Also this:


-AP

Lot to unpack with that one, and this weekend in particular.

Good now we can get back to discussing racism, the Civil War, and plantation owners in Mississippi.

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

I just don't understand Mincey leaving. He was guaranteed a starting spot. Don't get it at all.

Maybe he wasn’t and did not want to fight it out with some of our young bucks who are not being shown the door. We can see if he hits the field at his next stop.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

AP says we have Mississippi State OT Percy Lewis visiting this weekend. He’s 6’8” 340lbs. Last week he visited Ole Miss, Auburn, and Arkansas. I take him visiting us this weekend as a good sign that he hasn’t gotten quite what he wanted out of these other visits. AP also said we are trying to get more visitors along the OL because we don’t want to wait and put all our eggs in the Heard basket, but he also said we are not out of it yet for heard.

Let’s gooooo

If we land two OL, I will up my Vol club contribution immediately.

You hear me Eric Vol! Quote me if you want!

 

[SSVol]

Was just asking because you seem to know a good bit about Mississippi history, and I'd like to learn more. I've spent my whole life in Mississippi and I don't know much about it. It's just not talked about. Hell I didn't know my own family had slaves until I was in my 30s and started asking questions. If there's some good books on it that's something I'd be interested in.

Lived in Jackson from 1971-1978. I remember Ole Miss being the rich white school and Miss State being for the rest. We were not so affluent to have a maid/nanny, but many in my neighborhood did. It wasn't slavery, but honestly culturally it wasn't far removed. If that was true in a middle class neighborhood in Jackson, I can only imagine how much more so it would be true amongst the affluent in Oxford. We act like that was all ancient history, but the culture lived on well beyond the law.

 

[bpalmer28]

I have no clue
Your right
So much history has been removed, destroyed or deleted in the past 5 years people are already forgetting about it and dismissing the past
I’m not saying it’s racist money or Mississippi is racist, it has a past like everyone else

I didn’t take it as a racist accusation at all. Just don’t really believe it but thought maybe there’s a dynamic I’m not aware of. I think “old money” is largely a myth and if OM had it they wouldn’t have had coaches like Houston Nutt and Ed Orgeron recently. If they have all this money I don’t know why they’d hide it for 200 years only to show it on NIL deals.

 

[MockingVol]

This is true. My great, great grandfather owned slaves but my dad grew up poor. My grandad lived paycheck to paycheck as a butane heater salesman. Most of the pre-war rich people were rich in confederate money. That went to 0. Those who managed to preserve their wealth did so through good land management/farming

My grandad grew up a sharecropper.

 

[yourstruly23]

My grandad grew up a sharecropper.

My grandpa was a cropduster

 

[Glitch]

My grandpa was a cropduster

Cropdusting was my favorite pasttime when I was deployed to Iraq. I would walk up and check on my soldiers, bust ass, and then walk away. I would get about 5-10 steps away and here... "OH MY GOD, SIR! WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN EATING!?"

 

[Blake25p]

 

[CAVPUT]

 

[Dadof2Vols]

 

[BreatheUT]

I just don't understand Mincey leaving. He was guaranteed a starting spot. Don't get it at all.

There had to be some type of disagreement or the guy us chasing NIL pay. There are a lot more Mincey's out there than not once they transfer one time there is a good chance they'll do it again.

 

[BreatheUT]

Anybody that watched this season, or just the bowl game, should know we had 2 FCS level OL playing a significant amount of time. OL is a concern, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t get fixed, but it’s a glaring issue. Blissfully ignoring that is silly.

I think we can all name those two but we won't.

 

[BreatheUT]

People laugh about it but there’s a ton of old money(plantation) in Mississippi
I don’t know if that’s how the school formally known as the rebels got the money but…..

I basically said the same thing yesterday.