NCAA BBall POY Thread

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#176
TennNC said:
I'll take a wild guess that Jamal Lewis didn't enter the draft in 2009.

I'll also take a wild guess that this has very little to do with the original topic of whether Curry will go pro.

Peyton Manning is a much more appropriate comparison than Jamal Lewis in this instance. From my recollection, Manning was projected to be the #1 pick after his junior year. Respectively, Stephen Curry is projected to go fairly high (not #1 of course, but still high for him) if he did come out his junior year. Manning postponed millions and took somewhat of a risk that his stock might fall -- because he had a rich father and could afford the luxury of coming back . Curry is in a similar situation, and I'm guessing and hoping that he decides the same, even though it might do more damage to his bank account down the road.
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There, that's accurate.
 
#178
#178
speaking of players leaving early, perhaps hat or dickens or anyone with an inside scoop can answer - is there any chance wayne or tyler will return next season?

I can't imagine they would, but anyway...
 
#179
#179
TennNC said:
speaking of players leaving early, perhaps hat or dickens or anyone with an inside scoop can answer - is there any chance wayne or tyler will return next season?

I can't imagine they would, but anyway...
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I'm just guessing but I think Chisms gone and Tyler tests the water and stays . I do not profess to know anything about these guys in depth . Just a guess:dunno:
 
#180
#180
TennNC said:
speaking of players leaving early, perhaps hat or dickens or anyone with an inside scoop can answer - is there any chance wayne or tyler will return next season?

I can't imagine they would, but anyway...
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Based on what I've read, Tyler has slid to the early to mid 2nd round, while most people think Chism won't even be drafted. I could see both of them staying.
 
#181
#181
thx to both of you.

My guess is that these guys know it will be a relatively down draft overall and that it might be their best oppy to try to make a career out of playing ball.
 
#185
#185
bburger991 said:
Davidson just lost by 18 to The Citadel..
Without Curry, they're screwed.
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They're about to get themselves into a situation where they have to win their conference tournament to make the NCAAs. The loser of their game Saturday against Butler has reason for concern.
 
#186
#186
hatvol96 said:
They're about to get themselves into a situation where they have to win their conference tournament to make the NCAAs. The loser of their game Saturday against Butler has reason for concern.
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true.

however, until this year, the first sentence has been true of Davidson for the previous 20+ seasons.
 
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#188
BigPapaVol said:
hard to say as the resume's across the board are generally terrible.
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I agree that the quality this year is lower than most years overall, but I've been struggling with the above sentiment recently.

There's always a set number of wins and losses out there. and those wins and losses are simply divided up each year. The only way for there to be more "terrible" resumes is for there to be more "nearly perfect" resumes also.

Other than UConn, Oklahoma, and UNC, I don't know that it's really any more top-heavy than any other season. It actually seems fairly evenly distributed.

It's odd.

One theory is that, as Vol fans, we're disappointed this year and we watch more games in a conference that clearly is the worst it has been in a long, long time. I wonder if Big East fans think that there are a lot of terrible resumes out there simply from their perspective.

Also, it could be that the middle of the pack (i.e. those teams vying for an at-large bid) is unusually large this year. It's like one big dog fight, and few are separating themselves. Take Butler, Texas, and the SEC East as prime examples.

It's interesting, though - there seem to be a lot of teams with impressive wins but also unusually embarrassing losses. Think of what Louisville has done the past month or so, beating then-#1 ranked Pitt and also getting crushed by a Notre Dame team that had lost 7 straight. Losing to ND is one thing - losing by 30 makes you scratch your head.
 
#189
#189
TennNC said:
I agree that the quality this year is lower than most years overall, but I've been struggling with the above sentiment recently.

There's always a set number of wins and losses out there. and those wins and losses are simply divided up each year. The only way for there to be more "terrible" resumes is for there to be more "nearly perfect" resumes also.
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do what? a lack of dominance by a few teams makes many more middlin' resumes. Seems most teams have trended toward the middle, so everyone is stacked up there together, which is exactly the opposite of what you're argument.
 
#190
#190
BigPapaVol said:
do what? a lack of dominance by a few teams makes many more middlin' resumes. Seems most teams have trended toward the middle, so everyone is stacked up there together, which is exactly the opposite of what you're argument.
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BPV, i think your logic is a bit twisted up. or reading comprehension. something.


"middlin" doesn't equal "terrible" in my vocabulary. which do you mean?

i said there are a lot of teams in the middle of the pack. i said there aren't a lot of dominant teams at the top -- it's not top-heavy. therefore, there are a lot of teams trying to get in.

so, it's not that there are a lot of "terrible" resumes as you posted above, but rather that it's more evenly distributed - so you're more likely to see a lot of teams more closely grouped, with very few either sucking it up royally or dominating everyone in sight. it's a dog fight, and usually dog fights aren't pretty.

of course, i'm referring to the bigger, more prominent conferences that i'm able to follow quickly in my spare time without devoting my life to the sport.
 
#191
#191
I have no problem saying the last four or five teams at large teams will have resumes that could correctly be called terrible by previous standards.
 
#192
#192
You know who could be a big bracket buster right now? Siena. 21-6, with an RPI in the top 30, rated about 20 spots higher than Davidson with a SOS that is much better than Davidson's.

Georgetown could be in at 13-10, because of where they are in the RPI(38-42), also playing one of the strongest schedules in the country.

Butler is still in good shape overall at this point(top 25 in RPI and AP Polls). However, an L to Davidson could really throw a wrench in things.
 
#194
#194
TennNC said:
BPV, i think your logic is a bit twisted up. or reading comprehension. something.


"middlin" doesn't equal "terrible" in my vocabulary. which do you mean?

i said there are a lot of teams in the middle of the pack. i said there aren't a lot of dominant teams at the top -- it's not top-heavy. therefore, there are a lot of teams trying to get in.

so, it's not that there are a lot of "terrible" resumes as you posted above, but rather that it's more evenly distributed - so you're more likely to see a lot of teams more closely grouped, with very few either sucking it up royally or dominating everyone in sight. it's a dog fight, and usually dog fights aren't pretty.

of course, i'm referring to the bigger, more prominent conferences that i'm able to follow quickly in my spare time without devoting my life to the sport.
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I'm talking terrible by NCAA tourney resume historical standards. Having to select from a bunch of middlin trash is a disaster for the tourney, but it's because none of the teams has the formula for consistent winning, which is exactly what the tourney demands. Generally, those that make the field win the games they should. This year, nobody does.
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#195
#195
BigPapaVol said:
I'm talking terrible by NCAA tourney resume historical standards. Having to select from a bunch of middlin trash is a disaster for the tourney, but it's because none of the teams has the formula for consistent winning, which is exactly what the tourney demands. Generally, those that make the field win the games they should. This year, nobody does.
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Could be that the talent level this year is a lot closer together than in years past.
 
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