NCAA files response in Tennessee lawsuit, cites state’s laws barring NIL in recruiting

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Danl said:
Anybody got a link to Tennessee's response to the NCAA response?

All I see are excerpts.
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That is a good question. In my attempt to find just that document, I stumbled upon a very informative article from Dec. 27 of 2023. The article states that the NCAA is actively seeking ways to avert some class action lawsuits on the West Coast. The article, in summary, is about the NCAA's core belief that players should not get paid. . period. About halfway down, The NCAA Throws Hail Mary Pass To Save Amateurism addresses Charlie Baker and the efforts the NCAA are taking to guarantee Student Athletes $30K per year in "Education Trusts". Speaking out of both sides of their mouths and grasping at straws.

All of this to try to protect their turf. Now back to the search.

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Second article on The NCAA stance: NCAA Fires Back at Tennessee Lawsuit Over NIL Pay
 
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Here is the TN and VA reply to the NCAA response. Several screenshots, but here it is.

 
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Boston Vol said:
It’s very significant, the entire NCAA student-athlete model is going to come crashing down, and soon.
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Very hazy to me in terms of how something like this would work. NIL would stand on its own since that’s just a fancy term for an endorsement deal like the pros do that’s separate from their compensation. But does the union thing mean the team would negotiate compensation with the school once they get on the team? Do you offer a base scholarship and then the athlete gets paid some sort of scale wage once he joins the team? Does each guy on the team get paid the same or are different pay levels allowed depending on position? Too much to unpack. Very confusing to me and I’ll admit I don’t know much about how unions work.
 
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VolDave53 said:
Here is the TN and VA reply to the NCAA response. Several screenshots, but here it is.

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Thanks! That tweet has the first 4 of 16 pages. I don't have a twitter/x acct, so if someone who does could link the other tweets from Jake Thompson containing the other pages, I would appreciate that!
 
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Of all I have been able to read thus far, the most interesting thing was the comment about Tennessee defending something (in the CA case) that it is fighting against in this case. WHAT??

All of this is truly the wild west. It is not only the NCAA that will be gone, but a lot of college sports teams will also be history before this is over. Greed ultimately destroys goodness.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Of all I have been able to read thus far, the most interesting thing was the comment about Tennessee defending something (in the CA case) that it is fighting against in this case. WHAT??

All of this is truly the wild west. It is not only the NCAA that will be gone, but a lot of college sports teams will also be history before this is over. Greed ultimately destroys goodness.
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Exactly there are no winners in this.
 
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Delmar said:
Very hazy to me in terms of how something like this would work. NIL would stand on its own since that’s just a fancy term for an endorsement deal like the pros do that’s separate from their compensation. But does the union thing mean the team would negotiate compensation with the school once they get on the team? Do you offer a base scholarship and then the athlete gets paid some sort of scale wage once he joins the team? Does each guy on the team get paid the same or are different pay levels allowed depending on position? Too much to unpack. Very confusing to me and I’ll admit I don’t know much about how unions work.
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In pro leagues, the unions negotiate a minimum salary and in some a "rookie contract" that shields the teams from paying multimillions to "hot" but untested young players. The second contract is when the real money kicks in.

The earlier your draft, the better your contract but everyone starts negotiating at a minimum. After that rookie contract, your agent "shows you the money." For parity, the schools would need to agree on a salary cap to keep TX from buying all the talent.

Players coming into college would join the union then negotiate their deal beyond the minimum, I assume. Schools would be in the position of watching their cap as they sign players.

It's pro ball at that point.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
In pro leagues, the unions negotiate a minimum salary and in some a "rookie contract" that shields the teams from paying multimillions to "hot" but untested young players. The second contract is when the real money kicks in.

The earlier your draft, the better your contract but everyone starts negotiating at a minimum. After that rookie contract, your agent "shows you the money." For parity, the schools would need to agree on a salary cap to keep TX from buying all the talent.

Players coming into college would join the union then negotiate their deal beyond the minimum, I assume. Schools would be in the position of watching their cap as they sign players.

It's pro ball at that point.
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Lots of teams will have to opt for Division III. NCAA draft would take too long.
 
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Sounds plausible to me. I guess the union and the schools would negotiate a rookie (freshman) minimum and then it goes up from there depending on performance/perceived need to keep them. And the contract prevents player transfers unless the school lets them out if it. Would it be a one year renewable deal or multi-year?

And the player negotiates his best NIL deal with the collective of choice—separate and not influenced by the prospective school of course (wink, wink). Or we just lose all illusions and it all goes together in one big package. To the victor goes the spoils. What a world.
 
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Delmar said:
Sounds plausible to me. I guess the union and the schools would negotiate a rookie (freshman) minimum and then it goes up from there depending on performance/perceived need to keep them. And the contract prevents player transfers unless the school lets them out if it. Would it be a one year renewable deal or multi-year?

And the player negotiates his best NIL deal with the collective of choice—separate and not influenced by the prospective school of course (wink, wink). Or we just lose all illusions and it all goes together in one big package. To the victor goes the spoils. What a world.
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The NIL is the kicker. One HOPES the market establishes salaries that are reasonable, like the pro leagues, so that teams don't buy players, as they are now, with NIL.

I know pro players prefer larger markets with larger chances for endorsement deals but how that will play in college will remain to be seen. It would seem schools like TX with lots of booster money could beat the system if salaries are too low.

None of this is pretty, nor good for schools. Many will just be priced out of athletics, I'm afraid.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
Lots of teams will have to opt for Division III. NCAA draft would take too long.
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I'll assume they'll be drafts by conference for college. If a player is drafted to more than one conference it will be like the old AFL vs NFL or ABA vs NBA where the conferences fight it out.

Obviously, the lesser conferences are welcome to draft the 5* guys, just as they can offer them now, but it's unlikely a player signs with them if they can get in a more prestigious conference.

If we're lucky, the court will somehow carve most teams out and avoid the mess at all levels. I doubt it, but that's the best case in this disaster.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Well the point was factually incorrect and dumb. Was that the point?
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The point was the NIL and the transfer portal only serve to potentially exacerbate the existing inequalities among teams, with the wealthier programs having an advantage recruiting top talent through NIL deals and easier transfers, further concentrating power among a few elite programs ( OSU recently spent over $11,000,000). We are going to see a lot more of this if things don’t change. About 20 schools with all the talent. Might as well just have a league for the have’s. There has to be controls. Sorry I was so “ dumb “ before.
 
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Revengevol said:
The point was the NIL and the transfer portal only serve to potentially exacerbate the existing inequalities among teams, with the wealthier programs having an advantage recruiting top talent through NIL deals and easier transfers, further concentrating power among a few elite programs ( OSU recently spent over $11,000,000). We are going to see a lot more of this if things don’t change. About 20 schools with all the talent. Might as well just have a league for the have’s. There has to be controls. Sorry I was so “ dumb “ before.
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I completely misconstrued your post. My bad.
 
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Revengevol said:
The point was the NIL and the transfer portal only serve to potentially exacerbate the existing inequalities among teams, with the wealthier programs having an advantage recruiting top talent through NIL deals and easier transfers, further concentrating power among a few elite programs ( OSU recently spent over $11,000,000). We are going to see a lot more of this if things don’t change. About 20 schools with all the talent. Might as well just have a league for the have’s. There has to be controls. Sorry I was so “ dumb “ before.
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The SEC and Big 10 just started the first step toward that league for the have’s.
 
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VolTull said:
I'd take offense but you got your ass kicked by a bespectacled teenager. Is there an afterlife?
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Huh? What are you referring to? You lost me in this weak attempt at a comeback.


Edit: OOHHHH, the name… 😂 what a troll. I looked at your history. It seems you spend as much time trolling the political forum as the sports. You’re one of “those”… easy ignore
 
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