NCAA = Slavery You can't make this stuff up

[n_huffhines]

How is it any different than the majority of companies who require some level of college before they will even consider you for a position?

What are you talking about. Are you talking about it from the perspective of the NBA? Not sure how that's relevant. The NBA has age requirements, not educational requirements.

 

[peaygolf]

What they get and don't get is the issue. Disagreeing with it doesn't mean we are unaware or unknowledgeable

We agree to disagree, and that is alright. My opinion is student-athletes get plenty of things regular student don't get. Because 100,000 people like to watch them a few days a year doesn't mean they need to get paid.

 

[bamawriter]

I'm actually in favor of a farm league that these kids can go to straight out of hs.

Me too.

 

[n_huffhines]

We agree to disagree, and that is alright. My opinion is student-athletes get plenty of things regular student don't get. Because 100,000 people like to watch them a few days a year doesn't mean they need to get paid.

It's not really about "need", it's about what's right. What are we, socialists? Since when does need trump value?

 

[bamawriter]

We agree to disagree, and that is alright. My opinion is student-athletes get plenty of things regular student don't get. Because 100,000 people like to watch them a few days a year doesn't mean they need to get paid.

You're right.

The fact that the schools make millions off their efforts, names, and likenesses both during and after the kids are in school means that the kids should get paid.

 

[volnbama_]

That's sad that he has to go to a "socialist" country to get paid, right? Is that how things should work?

What about football players?

G-League is an option but the money is around a teacher’s around currently. The league will start to grow along with the salaries over the next 5 years. That’ll give kids a legitimate opportunity out of high school.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I'm actually in favor of a farm league that these kids can go to straight out of hs.

Why? That would kill college football. There needs to be more incentives created to make sure this doesn’t happen. Think about how many busts there are from 4&5 Star players that never sniff professional sports but could have their education to fall back on if they don’t meet their athletic dreams. Most of these kids can’t afford a decent education. Why not take advantages of the resources the schools offer for their student athletes and get that degree and then also you’ll have plenty of connections for a job when you get out. Employers love people that work well in a team environment.

 

[peaygolf]

99% and the conclusion and ridiculous fear-mongering that the failures would be a burden on tax payers. You know we had kids going to the NBA straight out of HS and the success rate wasn't 1%.

NBA high school draftees - Wikipedia

fair enough...I went too far with that.:good!:

 

[peaygolf]

You're right.

The fact that the schools make millions off their efforts, names, and likenesses both during and after the kids are in school means that the kids should get paid.

They do get paid. About $150,000 for 4 yrs. Vandy SA's get over $300,000.

Now...I did like the post about signing autographs and getting paid. That's fine. If SA's can get a TV commercial for a local Car dealership, great. Let them. Let the free market dictate what they can get. They just should not be paid by the school or NCAA.

 

[n_huffhines]

G-League is an option but the money is around a teacher’s around currently. The league will start to grow along with the salaries over the next 5 years. That’ll give kids a legitimate opportunity out of high school.

But that's because the league is comprised of guys who are eligible for the NBA, but aren't good enough to play in it. I assume things would change when you introduce 17 and 18 YO superstars to the league.

I kinda figure they would have already been drafted and playing under a rookie NBA contract, regardless of what league they are in.

 

[VolGee4]

So you'd work for an employer who offered to pay you in free education and access to a sweet gym?

For my education, yes. They aren't staying forever. They leave after 1-4 years and get a chance to make their money.

 

[bamawriter]

They do get paid. About $150,000 for 4 yrs. Vandy SA's get over $300,000.

Now...I did like the post about signing autographs and getting paid. That's fine. If SA's can get a TV commercial for a local Car dealership, great. Let them. Let the free market dictate what they can get. They just should not be paid by the school or NCAA.

I don't think that's a bad suggestion.

 

[peaygolf]

I don't think that's a bad suggestion.

:good!:

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Why? That would kill college football. There needs to be more incentives created to make sure this doesn’t happen. Think about how many busts there are from 4&5 Star players that never sniff professional sports but could have their education to fall back on if they don’t meet their athletic dreams. Most of these kids can’t afford a decent education. Why not take advantages of the resources the schools offer for their student athletes and get that degree and then also you’ll have plenty of connections for a job when you get out. Employers love people that work well in a team environment.

No, it would bring it back to what it was originally intended to be. A friendly competition between students at various universities.

 

[TheDeeble]

They do get paid. About $150,000 for 4 yrs. Vandy SA's get over $300,000.

Now...I did like the post about signing autographs and getting paid. That's fine. If SA's can get a TV commercial for a local Car dealership, great. Let them. Let the free market dictate what they can get. They just should not be paid by the school or NCAA.

Schools can't pay players, but boosters can? I doubt that would go over well with most of the NCAA schools.

 

[peaygolf]

Schools can't pay players, but boosters can? I doubt that would go over well with most of the NCAA schools.

With stipulations.....If a player gets a TV commercial with "Duff's Road Kill Removal", owner just can't be a booster.

 

[FleeceItOut]

I think they should be able to capitalize on their likeness by getting paid to sign autographs or jerseys. Get money to do the local Buddy Garrity Chevy dealership spot or the burger and hot dog place down the street. I wouldn’t have a problem with that at all, but I think there should be some sort of regulations, like making sure that stuff like that runs through the SID office and keeps dirty agents and runners away from programs as much as possible.

The problem with that is it will make recruiting worse than it is. Wealthy boosters will drop loads of cash on recruits to do “advertisements.”

It will be a bidding war for players more than it already is.

That’s the other part about this. Let’s not act like these kids (the best ones and most worthy) aren’t already getting paid under the table.

 

[FleeceItOut]

They don't need college. They need development, and the NFL is more than happy to let the schools run a farm league.

So it seems your problem is with the NFL.

 

[FleeceItOut]

They do get paid. About $150,000 for 4 yrs. Vandy SA's get over $300,000.

Now...I did like the post about signing autographs and getting paid. That's fine. If SA's can get a TV commercial for a local Car dealership, great. Let them. Let the free market dictate what they can get. They just should not be paid by the school or NCAA.

You would still have to regulate that somehow. Otherwise a rich booster will be buying autographs for 10k.

 

[FleeceItOut]

You're right.

The fact that the schools make millions off their efforts, names, and likenesses both during and after the kids are in school means that the kids should get paid.

They should bring back NCAA Football video game and let them get a check off that.

 

[bamawriter]

So it seems your problem is with the NFL.

A big part of my problem, yes. The NFL/NCAA model is mutually-beneficial to everyone but the players.

 

[bamawriter]

They should bring back NCAA Football video game and let them get a check off that.

It should tell you something that the NCAA was willing to cut off that revenue stream because they are so unwilling to create a new paradigm that is beneficial to the players.

 

[FleeceItOut]

The NBA needs to adopt some type of system similar to MLB. These kids can declare for the draft and if they’re not drafted or get drafted in round 2 they have the option to go on to college to play for a couple of years.

The system screws the kids over from this aspect. Now they can’t go out and take money or gifts from agents which will be hard to monitor.

My main issue is that if kids think they are ready for the next level then let them go in any sport. It should be there choice.

I also like the idea (although somewhat contradictory) of letting guys go straight to the Nba out of high school and if they choose college they have to go for at least 2 years. That way they are actually working towards a degree.

 

[peaygolf]

You would still have to regulate that somehow. Otherwise a rich booster will be buying autographs for 10k.

I mentioned that in my last post. You're right. No boosters involved.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

No, it would bring it back to what it was originally intended to be. A friendly competition between students at various universities.

Friendly competition? Please lay out this “friendly competition” and how it would work between various schools. Nobody is going to tune in for a 3:30 CBS football game of the week to watch Billy Joe McGirt from nearby Newport, TN, fulfill his dream of running through the T every weekend, while all the cool kids are playing for the New Mexico Cactus or the Reno Pimps . They will watch Derek Barnett go for the all time sack leader at UT or wanting to see who is going to win the QB competition at Bama, Tua or Hurts.