NCAA tells Auburn "We aren't finished with you yet."

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rockytop9808 said:
...that would be part of a "stipend".
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Ok. And the others?

Fact is, a lot of kids on scholarship grew up poor. I am sure some parents send money and stuff. But not everyone has someone to do that.

Even if a kid is getting free food, and he can't go out with friends, buy clothes, etc., turning down 200k is going to be hard to do. But hey, stay up there on your high horse.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Bullshiz dynamics of AU situation are confusing. The AA essentially clearing Newton to play led many to believe that AU was cleared. I give you this thread as evidence. AA could not have done it any worse, unless they were solely salvaging a title game, which they were.
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I've been screaming about this since the SEC title game. Why on earth would the NCAA jeopardize their NC game by getting rid of the biggest cash cow during that season in Cam Newton?
 
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stevenharvey11 said:
Ok. And the others?

Fact is, a lot of kids on scholarship grew up poor. I am sure some parents send money and stuff. But not everyone has someone to do that.

Even if a kid is getting free food, and he can't go out with friends, buy clothes, etc., turning down 200k is going to be hard to do. But hey, stay up there on your high horse.
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Did I ever say turning down 200k was easy? I'm saying you are intentionally trying to play some kind of emotional "college athletes are all just poor saps like the rest of em" card when in reality, they're not. At all. Even in the minor sports.

Also, they actually have free time, and they get tons of free clothes from the school. I don't see why the bold stuff is even part of your argument.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
All the scholarship athletes at UT get a food stipend, bro. It's part of the scholarship.

Also the best cafeteria on campus is right beside their facilities. They eat there for free.
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Not sure about the barn, but my school has cafeteria meal plans that can be paid for with scholarship and financial aid. The top tier one could definitely feed a d-I lineman.

As far as the as the plains burn thread, if it's true then it wouldnt just lead to auburn getting kicked out of the sec -- it would likely lose accreditation and be dissolved entirely. Wishful thinking though.

After this episode with chizik, I don't see how they keep the 10 season, the bcsmnc or the heisman on the books.
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stevenharvey11 said:
Yes, because my friend, the scholarship baseball player, ate ramen noodles all the time. Because he could hardly afford anything else.
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Scholarship baseball player where? If he was missing meals at the cafeteria, it surely had to have been by choice.


All this apologist crap is crap. Playing a sport in college is a CHOICE. If you're so pressed for cash that you can't play, well, that's sad. I have real empathy for that. But no one is forced to play a sport and eat ramen noodles or go hungry.

Please.
 
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stevenharvey11 said:
Ok. And the others?

Fact is, a lot of kids on scholarship grew up poor. I am sure some parents send money and stuff. But not everyone has someone to do that.

Even if a kid is getting free food, and he can't go out with friends, buy clothes, etc., turning down 200k is going to be hard to do. But hey, stay up there on your high horse.
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No to harp on this, but your example was exactly my situation(baseball player on partial scholly), and I was fed just fine. In fact, I gained 15 lbs throughout my career. The rest in bold just scream entitlement to me, IMHO.
 
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stevenharvey11 said:
Yes, because my friend, the scholarship baseball player, ate ramen noodles all the time. Because he could hardly afford anything else.
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Neither could I. And I paid tuition/room and board/ books/ parking, etc. I ate my share of Ramen and flavored rice. I'm fine today, honest. I even managed to finish 2 degrees and get a good job despite the malnutrition.
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rockytop9808 said:
Did I ever say turning down 200k was easy? I'm saying you are intentionally trying to play some kind of emotional "college athletes are all just poor saps like the rest of em" card when in reality, they're not. At all. Even in the minor sports.

Also, they actually have free time, and they get tons of free clothes from the school. I don't see why the bold stuff is even part of your argument.
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Solid
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milohimself said:
Not sure about the barn, but my school has cafeteria meal plans that can be paid for with scholarship and financial aid. The top tier one could definitely feed a d-I lineman.

As far as the as the plains burn thread, if it's true then it wouldnt just lead to auburn getting kicked out of the sec -- it would likely lose accreditation and be dissolved entirely. Wishful thinking though.

After this episode with chizik, I don't see how they keep the 10 season, the bcsmnc or the heisman on the books.
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I have eaten at the barn's table many times when Tubberville was there. Good buds with his d-tackle coach. It was as good as about any food I have eaten.
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Turning down money is the price of admission. You sign up to follow NCAA rules, the school gives you an opportunity to play your sport, maybe get drafted, get a free education, lodging, books, food... You don't sign up to follow the NCAA rules, no play, no draft, no free education, etc...

Doing the right thing is still the right thing, even when it's not easy. Doing the wrong thing is still the wrong thing, even when it is easy.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
Did I ever say turning down 200k was easy? I'm saying you are intentionally trying to play some kind of emotional "college athletes are all just poor saps like the rest of em" card when in reality, they're not. At all. Even in the minor sports.

Also, they actually have free time, and they get tons of free clothes from the school. I don't see why the bold stuff is even part of your argument.
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I will disagree. My friend didn't get "tons of free clothes" from school.
 
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JayVols said:
Neither could I. And I paid tuition/room and board/ books/ parking, etc. I ate my share of Ramen and flavored rice. I'm fine today, honest. I even managed to finish 2 degrees and get a good job despite the malnutrition.
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I would venture to guess no one offered you 200,000 dollars either. And if they did, you would have taken it.
 
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stevenharvey11 said:
I will disagree. My friend didn't get "tons of free clothes" from school.
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I was a student trainer at TN and got tons of free clothes. Literally, I gave stuff away at the time bc I had so much. If they are a at big program, they get plenty.

Some of the athletes (especially football and baasketball players) do actually live better than some college kids. I remember seeing kids (ones that came from low income families) get 7-10K back per semester. They had a full scholarship, then qualified for different grants like pell and what not. Not all are going to be that fortunate, but it was a good number of them that I remember. Your going to get at least 1-2 free meals per day in addition. That is living better than a lot of college kids.
 
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stevenharvey11 said:
I will disagree. My friend didn't get "tons of free clothes" from school.
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So what? Is it the school's responsibility for putting clothes on students' backs?

For some reason a lot of people today think people need to be pampered the moment they exit the womb. Folks, it's a free country and people are free to succeed and fail as they please.

There are a ton of college athletes out there that play for the love and don't expect any pampering back in return. If we're feeling sorry for people because they choose to eat ramen noodles and can't buy 15 new pairs of Air Jordan shoes, then we're in big trouble.

These BCS athletes especially have virtually everything they need to get by in college. If their parents are broke then they qualify for Pell grants which go directly into their pocket, tax free. That should give them some spending money every month that should be wisely and judiciously budgeted. They also get stipends on the top of that.

These kids aren't starving and they're not struggling. Much is demanded of them, but they receive much in return in the form of academic support that isn't available to regular students. They have the opportunity to graduate with a degree that will open doors for their future prosperity. It's up to them how they're going to capitalize on those opportunities. Their mini-celebrity will also help open doors for them.
 
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Bottom line is, majority of the people saying how wrong it is and they wouldn't have done it, are full of sht.
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Don't project your ethical state onto everyone in the conversation.
 
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stevenharvey11 said:
I will disagree. My friend didn't get "tons of free clothes" from school.
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Did he go to a division I school?

Because everyone I know involved with a division I program ("major" or not) gets so much free swag the only other clothes they need are dressy ones.
 
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I'm through. I forgot college players lived the good life. I guess that is why Spurrier proposed paying players. Right? So the rich would get richer?

Back on topic. Auburn will be very lucky not to get hammered.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
i can absolutely blame these kids for taking money. they know its wrong and illegal. just because they are athletes who come from predominately poor families, doesnt give them a moral pass. they also know how much damge it can do to their university.
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It's only "wrong" and "illegal" in the NCAA's world.

What constitutes a booster and a runner for an agent isn't laid out in black and white.

There are guys, at schools right, getting money from agents and boosters to make sure athletes enjoy themselves.
 
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stevenharvey11 said:
I'm through. I forgot college players lived the good life. I guess that is why Spurrier proposed paying players. Right? So the rich would get richer?

Back on topic. Auburn will be very lucky not to get hammered.
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They do. It's not even up for debate. You never said where your bud went to school. Was it some DII school?
 
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stevenharvey11 said:
I would venture to guess no one offered you 200,000 dollars either. And if they did, you would have taken it.
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If it was illegal money that would get me in trouble, I would. I have some (not many) morals.
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