NCAA to release sanctions/penalties against Penn State Monday Morning

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The_Orange_Pearl said:
What about the seniors? Closing in on a month til the season starts. They either play a meaningless season this year as their last or they sit out a year since it's probably too late to transfer. Some players might still like the school, their coach and having each other as teammates. It's not so simple for some to just say "oh well, time to pack up and leave". They obviously liked the school when they chose it and they still might like the academic side to it all and the relationships they have built. Yeah, they can leave... it just impacts their life completely when they did nothing wrong.

And what about the fans(lots of which are alumni). Should they transfer too? They spent money on going to games every year and/or spent 4 years attending school there. Think about how you view football as a Vol fan. Beaver Stadium holds 100,000 just like Neyland. Obviously there is more to life than football but you as a fan did nothing wrong and now your favorite team(that you've potentially spent tons on) is dead in the water. I'm not sure you'd be okay with this if it happened to the Vols but I suppose you would have the right to transfer your fandom to another team. Guess that's fair... :ermm:

I agree with the people that believe this was a criminal issue and the NCAA should have let the criminal system dole out the punishment. Sandusky is in prison for life and Paterno is dead. The NCAA is handing out punishments to everyone but the guilty party. Even the vacating of Paterno's wins, that just screws over the players that played in those games. Not like it effects Paterno, he's dead.

I don't even care for Penn St. and what they did was sick. I just don't see how the punishments the NCAA handed down did anything to get back at the people involved in the cover up. Seems like everyone else gets to suffer for it.
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That is the nature of AA punishment....in almost every case.
 
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GmanTN said:
I approve of the actions by the NCAA on this matter, you cannot have a university cover up this type of activity for that amount of time and expect the NCAA to turn their head.
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I don't. They should lose 10 scholarships per year for 7-10 years IMO.
 
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milohimself said:
the ncaa is already as equipped as it can be to enforce amateurism, fair play and academic integrity. When that area meets with criminality, the courts take over.
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They aren't punishing the criminal aspect of it. They're punishing the fact that the whole university became warped enough by football-worship that they covered up rape to protect football. That's their area.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
They aren't punishing the criminal aspect of it. They're punishing the fact that the whole university became warped enough by football-worship that they covered up rape to protect football. That's their area.
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No, the whole university did not cover up rape. 7 men covered up, or failed to report, rape.
 
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bamawriter said:
I'm surprised that no one has said that in any official capacity. I would think PSU would rush to say they agreed in order to improve their PR.
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Emmert said it during the press conference in response to a question of whether or not they expected PSU to appeal. I'm going to guess that PSU will come out and comment later after all the sanctions are levied by the Big 10 and NCAA.
 
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Preds&Vols said:
Emmert said it during the press conference in response to a question of whether or not they expected PSU to appeal. I'm going to guess that PSU will come out and comment later after all the sanctions are levied by the Big 10 and NCAA.
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Erickson said it in his statement.
 
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Preds&Vols said:
Emmert said it during the press conference in response to a question of whether or not they expected PSU to appeal. I'm going to guess that PSU will come out and comment later after all the sanctions are levied by the Big 10 and NCAA.
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PSU already gave its comment (the current president, Erickson did)

And the big 10 already said its punishments...which were no more than can't compete in the conference championship and don't get their cut of the shared bowl revenue
 
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bamawriter said:
No, the whole university did not cover up rape. 7 men covered up, or failed to report, rape.
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Seven out of seven. Plus the Board of Trustees took a completely hands off role in football. Plus there's been evidence for years that Paterno handled discipline by keeping everything in-house and hushed up as much as possible. We have plenty of evidence that this was a university-wide mentality.

When seven out of seven men are willing to cover up child rape, something about the culture is broken enough that men's ordinary morality has become corrupted. It's ridiculous to act like this was just four men acting together and it doesn't go any deeper than that. Even the janitors knew you don't talk.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Seven out of seven. Plus the Board of Trustees took a completely hands off role in football. Plus there's been evidence for years that Paterno handled discipline by keeping everything in-house and hushed up as much as possible. We have plenty of evidence that this was a university-wide mentality.

When seven out of seven men are willing to cover up child rape, something about the culture is broken enough that men's ordinary morality has become corrupted. It's ridiculous to act like this was just four men acting together and it doesn't go any deeper than that. Even the janitors knew you don't talk.
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+1

The people that matter did nothing about it in the name of football glory and $.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Seven out of seven. Plus the Board of Trustees took a completely hands off role in football. Plus there's been evidence for years that Paterno handled discipline by keeping everything in-house and hushed up as much as possible. We have plenty of evidence that this was a university-wide mentality.

When seven out of seven men are willing to cover up child rape, something about the culture is broken enough that men's ordinary morality has become corrupted. It's ridiculous to act like this was just four men acting together and it doesn't go any deeper than that. Even the janitors knew you don't talk.
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People will always put way too much emphasis on sports. And it's usually going to be unhealthy. But I'm not willing to say that hundreds, if not thousands, should be punished in the name of "culture" when only a handful of individuals actually did wrong.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Seven out of seven. Plus the Board of Trustees took a completely hands off role in football. Plus there's been evidence for years that Paterno handled discipline by keeping everything in-house and hushed up as much as possible. We have plenty of evidence that this was a university-wide mentality.

When seven out of seven men are willing to cover up child rape, something about the culture is broken enough that men's ordinary morality has become corrupted. It's ridiculous to act like this was just four men acting together and it doesn't go any deeper than that. Even the janitors knew you don't talk.
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Yep, I find it hard to believe that only 7 (or 4) people were aware of all these things.
 
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The argument can be made that the NCAA should stick to violations regarding matters of unfair competetive advantage, but if their biggest sanctions/rulings revolve around institutional control or lack thereof then this case is definitely within the realm of NCAA oversight.
 
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This isnt over for Penn State.

The next is going to be the Feds

The non-reporting of this crime and numerous by Penn State football players will be brought up because of the Clery Act

The days may get darker for Happy Valley
 
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CountVolcula said:
This isnt over for Penn State.

The next is going to be the Feds

The non-reporting of this crime and numerous by Penn State football players will be brought up because of the Clery Act

The days may get darker for Happy Valley
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None of that should be necessary. The NCAA just fixed it for everyone.
 
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bamawriter said:
None of that should be necessary. The NCAA just fixed it for everyone.
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Feds dont care about that

Different matter all together

They may not do anything, but I doubt it

Penn State will be made another example of when it comes to reporting crimes on campus and having measures in place to insure that they are reported
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
You really believe that from the campus Janitor all the way up to the president that only 7 people knew about this?? COME ON don't be so naive!
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Between the Grand Jury and the independent investigation, that's all that've been accused. I'm not willing to assume such hideous behavior from anyone without a shred of proof.
 
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