Nerlens Noel Out For The Season

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allvol_12 said:
Track record? It worked once. Yes they bring in a bunch of talent, but five freshmen don't guarantee a title .
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I never said guaranteed.

The Tourney is a crap shoot. The favorite rarely wins it all.

But Cal has gone Elite 8, Final 4, and NC in 3 years. One and dones is working for Kentucky.
 
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In all seriousness, both teams have a pretty good shot at the tourney this year (I'd favor Kentucky, but that's because I think Cauley-Stein will flourish after a few games) but UNC HAS to have Wiggins. A #11 class isn't scaring anyone, and even with him, Kentucky would be better at PG, SF and center. Duke would be right up at the top too if they could get one of their 17 good wing players to grow 6 inches and be a center.
 
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Brian McCat said:
I never said guaranteed.

The Tourney is a crap shoot. The favorite rarely wins it all.

But Cal has gone Elite 8, Final 4, and NC in 3 years. One and dones is working for Kentucky.
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Without Jones, Lamb, and Darius Miller, the freshman on the 2012 team would not have made it past the Sweet Sixteen (if they even made it that far).

One and dones are working for Cal because some of those McD's AAs do not end up being great enough their freshman year to enter the draft.
 
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VKAman said:
In all seriousness, both teams have a pretty good shot at the tourney this year (I'd favor Kentucky, but that's because I think Cauley-Stein will flourish after a few games) but UNC HAS to have Wiggins. A #11 class isn't scaring anyone, and even with him, Kentucky would be better at PG, SF and center. Duke would be right up at the top too if they could get one of their 17 good wing players to grow 6 inches and be a center.
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There is a such thing as players returning.... I know its hard to imagine since your use to one and done. With or without Wiggins they will be tough. On the wings will be a Junior PJ Hairston and Senior Reggie Bullock. Give me those two and their talent plus experience over your wings. Yes. All day.

Alot of heart shown today BTW . Lol UNC isn't great, but they will probably make the tourney, while playing in a better conference
 
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allvol_12 said:
UNC isn't great, but they will probably make the tourney, while playing in a better conference
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UNC has done nothing to merit inclusion in the tournament. Unless UNC wins out prior to the ACC Tournament (which includes beating Duke), and also wins at least a game, if not two, in the ACC tournament, then they ought to be watching the NCAA Tournament from the couch.
 
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ChiliDog said:
UK will drop from the top 25, but they'll still be on the cusp of re-entering it. A loss at Florida is nothing to be ashamed of. And if they absolutely crush UT, I'd say they'll stay in the top 25.

Lunardi doesnt even have them listed in his "first 5 in" or "first 5 out"....which means he considers them relativity safe barring a meltdown. A loss Saturday will draw major concerns, but they wont be on the outside looking in if it happens.
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Lol
 
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UK was close WITH Noel. Without him, they will be lucky to sniff the NIT.
 
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tumscalcium said:
Butthurt is big with this one.
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I already had. Your post also says tomorrow, thus you said this yesterday. It doesn't change the level of butthurt you now feel. The 'Oh yeah, oh yeah, well....we'll just beat you down next year!!' vibe says it all, son.
 
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therealUT said:
UNC has done nothing to merit inclusion in the tournament. Unless UNC wins out prior to the ACC Tournament.
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A. I wouldn't go that far. 5-1, plus a couple of games in the conference tournament, and they should get in. They have a some good wins, and every remaining game is winnable.

B. Someone has to get in, and I don't think you are on the committee. Or the guy that liked the post.
 
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allvol_12 said:
A. I wouldn't go that far. 5-1, plus a couple of games in the conference tournament, and they should get in. They have a some good wins, and every remaining game is winnable.

B. Someone has to get in, and I don't think you are on the committee. Or the guy that liked the post.
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Can you tell me which wins you would qualify as quality wins?

UNLV?
Maryland?
 
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therealUT said:
Can you tell me which wins you would qualify as quality wins?

UNLV?
Maryland?
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They had a couple more that were good wins at the time. I'm not sitting here telling they have the greatest resume, or they are best, but they are in based on everything I have seen ATP, whether you agree or not. Obviously the next few weeks are important, but there are for every team. 5-1 should do it, plus a couple in the conference tournament. IMO
 
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allvol_12 said:
They had a couple more that were good wins at the time.
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Gardner-Webb
FAU
Long Beach State
Miss. St.
Chaminade
UAB
ETSU
ECU
McNeese St.
UNLV
FSU
Maryland
GT
BC
Va. Tech.
Wake


Tell me which of those wins have, at any point this season, been considered quality wins.

allvol_12 said:
I'm not sitting here telling they have the greatest resume, or they are best, but they are in based on everything I have seen ATP, whether you agree or not. Obviously the next few weeks are important, but there are for every team. 5-1 should do it, plus a couple in the conference tournament. IMO
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If they get in, they will get in on one of the very worst resumes of any at-large tournament team I can recall; i.e., they will only get in because they are Chapel Hill.
 
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therealUT said:
Gardner-Webb
FAU
Long Beach State
Miss. St.
Chaminade
UAB
ETSU
ECU
McNeese St.
UNLV
FSU
Maryland
GT
BC
Va. Tech.
Wake


Tell me which of those wins have, at any point this season, been considered quality wins.



If they get in, they will get in on one of the very worst resumes of any at-large tournament team I can recall; i.e., they will only get in because they are Chapel Hill.
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@LBSU
UNLV
@Florida State
Maryland
All at the time. I know the brackets are just projections, but they have them in.
 
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allvol_12 said:
@LBSU
UNLV
@Florida State
Maryland
All at the time. I know the brackets are just projections, but they have them in.
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You think LBSU and FSU are quality wins? At least now I understand your thinking.

LBSU was 1-1 at the time; and, LBSU is 4-7 outside of their conference.

FSU is 14-11. At the time of the FSU-UNC game, FSU was 10-5; hardly a quality win "at the time", and certainly not a quality win from the perspective of now.

I granted that UNLV and Maryland might be quality wins, but that is a huge "might".

The Duke win helps Maryland; but, the continued failing of UK hurts Maryland.

As for UNLV, San Diego State has precipitously fallen since UNLV beat them; New Mexico has continued to play well. If New Mexico and UNLV finish strong, then UNLV is a quality win.

Lunardi currently has UNC in and Maryland out. I think Maryland will (and, should) replace UNC this week. Moreover, if Maryland wins out but loses to UNC on Mar. 6, I still think Maryland gets in over UNC, unless UNC wins two games in the ACC Tournament.

You also have Temple and St. John's who are in the mix. Unless something highly unexpected occurs, Temple will win out. St. John's has three very high-profile games left and if they win two of those three, they are in.

Acting as if UNC is a lock for the tournament if UNC does not win out in the regular season is absurd. Acting as if UNC is a lock if they go 5-1 and do not win at least two games in the ACC Tourney is also absurd.

At the moment, UNC has an atrocious resume. But, they wear Carolina blue and Roy is their coach, so they are still being shown love. I doubt the selection committee will be as biased toward UNC (at the expense of Maryland, St. John's, Temple, etc.) as Lunardi is.
 
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Which is why I said "At the time." LBSU is not having the season they expected. FSU either, and at the time win there was a goos win. Especially when UNC began the conference schedule 0-2. Still games left, so we shall see.

And I have never said lock
 
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Brian McCat said:
Obviously. Enjoy your win tomorrow, because you won't beat us next year.
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I did enjoy it for that reason. It's hard to compete with a program that pulls in the best recruiting class each and every year. I don't wish injuries on anyone, but if someone had to lose their best player, I think it's outstanding that it happened to KY. It gives the rest of us one season before KY starts crushing everyone again.
 
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LittleCat said:
Sounds a little contradicting imo. But I understand.
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I've just read and heard more than I care to take of people saying they feel sorry for the KY fans. That would be like feeling sorry for Bama fans when they lose a football game.
 
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