New Arizona Immigration Law

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droski said:
he's absolutely right. the slipperly slope argument can be made for any law on our books.
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It might be able to be made, but it's obviously not valid. Comparing murder laws to that of a law that invites racial profiling is ludicrous. I'm not passing judgment on the law, itself, because I think Arizona has a serious problem with immigration that the federal government has simply put on ignore. But don't pretend that that law is the same as any law on the books because it's not.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I hope you're joking.
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No i am not, I am dead serious. It is the same principle. The same logic. I DO NOT want to pay for these peoples education, healthcare, Food, etc...without them paying their due taxes and speaking English.

Hey lets make something illegal into something legal because it may hurt someones little civil rights.

Politcal Correctness is a Cancer in this nation.

So i guess you are infering, correct me if im wrong, that a crime shouldn't be on the books because it has the potential to be abused by the man.

You sound like Barry and his assessment that the cop acted stupidly when he arrested the college professor although he admited he didnt know the whole situation. Well maybe Barry and the Arizona Govenor and the 12 million illegal immigrants can all have a Tequilla Summit at the white house, , hold hands and sing Kumbaya together. Oh i forgot they cant speak English, my bad.
 
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If the police suspect you of a crime, they have a right to id you. If you are a legal citizen and have proper identification, I don't think you will have anything to worry about other than the suspected crime. Having id and not committing crimes are tough, I know.
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LawVol13 said:
It might be able to be made, but it's obviously not valid. Comparing murder laws to that of a law that invites racial profiling is ludicrous. I'm not passing judgment on the law, itself, because I think Arizona has a serious problem with immigration that the federal government has simply put on ignore. But don't pretend that that law is the same as any law on the books because it's not.
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the majority of child molestors in this country are white. do child molestation laws invite racial profiling? the implicit assumption here is that the police will abuse any possible law on the books and particurally in this very racially sensitive times i hardly see how that is a huge concern. any mass arrests of legal "brown" people for no reason will be rightly slammed by everybody.
 
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LawVol13 said:
It might be able to be made, but it's obviously not valid. Comparing murder laws to that of a law that invites racial profiling is ludicrous. I'm not passing judgment on the law, itself, because I think Arizona has a serious problem with immigration that the federal government has simply put on ignore. But don't pretend that that law is the same as any law on the books because it's not.
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How is it different. it micmics the federal law that is not being enforced you know. To suggest this is anything but a political move to gain Hispanic votes is a farce. This isn't about Civil Rights its about electoral seats.

Ok then lets compare it to something more similar. Lets say theft for instance. They are stealing the tax dollars out of my family, communities , states, governments pockets because they are not adhereing to the laws here. does that relate a little better?

By the way , i am a law abiding, tax paying citizen. How about my rights being treaded upon every time one of these illiegals use Welfare, Healthcare, Food Stamps, or even worse murder, theft, rape.

I hope nobody racaillly profiles when they try to find the people who Murdered that Arizona rancher a few weeks back. Be terrible if someone matching the murders description has to show their papers and answer some questions. Great Logic there.
 
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MUR73 said:
How is it different. it micmics the federal law that is not being enforced you know. To suggest this is anything but a political move to gain Hispanic votes is a farce. This isn't about Civil Rights its about electoral seats.

Ok then lets compare it to something more similar. Lets say theft for instance. They are stealing the tax dollars out of my family, communities , states, governments pockets because they are not adhereing to the laws here. does that relate a little better?

By the way , i am a law abiding, tax paying citizen. How about my rights being treaded upon every time one of these illiegals use Welfare, Healthcare, Food Stamps, or even worse murder, theft, rape.

I hope nobody racaillly profiles when they try to find the people who Murdered that Arizona rancher a few weeks back. Be terrible if someone matching the murders description has to show their papers and answer some questions. Great Logic there.
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Dude, I get that you violently hate illegals. Something has to be done about the problem; I even stand by Arizona's right to enact the law to combat the problem. However, it seems obvious to me that it invites racial profiling that could affect hispanics that are here legally. That is an obvious, unfortunate byproduct of this legislation, and it simply is not just like any other law on the books as some of you suggest.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Dude, I get that you violently hate illegals. Something has to be done about the problem; I even stand by Arizona's right to enact the law to combat the problem. However, it seems obvious to me that it invites racial profiling that could affect hispanics that are here legally. That is an obvious, unfortunate byproduct of this legislation, and it simply is not just like any other law on the books as some of you suggest.
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How does it "invite" racial profiling any more than the exist federal law that has less protections? How does it "invite" racial profiling more than the reality of the statistics that illegals tend to be hispanics (although the opposite is not true)?
 
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LawVol13 said:
Dude, I get that you violently hate illegals. Something has to be done about the problem; I even stand by Arizona's right to enact the law to combat the problem. However, it seems obvious to me that it invites racial profiling that could affect hispanics that are here legally. That is an obvious, unfortunate byproduct of this legislation, and it simply is not just like any other law on the books as some of you suggest.
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If they have proper identification, what's the worst that could happen to them?
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LawVol13 said:
Dude, I get that you violently hate illegals. Something has to be done about the problem; I even stand by Arizona's right to enact the law to combat the problem. However, it seems obvious to me that it invites racial profiling that could affect hispanics that are here legally. That is an obvious, unfortunate byproduct of this legislation, and it simply is not just like any other law on the books as some of you suggest.
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i've never understood this logic. so if we had a diverse illegal immigrant population than everyone woudl be a ok with the law?
 
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droski said:
i've never understood this logic. so if we had a diverse illegal immigrant population than everyone woudl be a ok with the law?
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I'm ok with it now, as I think it is a necessity for Arizona. But, it seems obvious to me that a state on the Mexico-US border is directing this law to combat hispanic illegal immigrants. And it potentially poses problems for those hispanics in Arizona that are there legally, which is something that you and I don't and won't have to experience.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I'm ok with it now, as I think it is a necessity for Arizona. But, it seems obvious to me that a state on the Mexico-US border is directing this law to combat hispanic illegal immigrants. And it potentially poses problems for those hispanics in Arizona that are there legally, which is something that you and I don't and won't have to experience.
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and the patriot act supposably potentially violated the civil liberties of millions of legal american arabs. how did that work out?
 
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LawVol13 said:
Dude, I get that you violently hate illegals. Something has to be done about the problem; I even stand by Arizona's right to enact the law to combat the problem. However, it seems obvious to me that it invites racial profiling that could affect hispanics that are here legally. That is an obvious, unfortunate byproduct of this legislation, and it simply is not just like any other law on the books as some of you suggest.
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How is this, it invites it less than current federal law as it is written. We haven't enforced federal immigration law for some time and for a variety of reasons with worrying about the backlash from illegal and legal immigrants being number one on that list. Simply ignoring the problem has gotten us nowhere, giving amnesty has only broadened the problem. We cannot stick our heads in the sand and do nothing.

If police make contact and ask for papers and they are provided there is no problem, the person goes on their way. If they do not have documentation they have to go. We must take away all avenues of employment and social services for illegals as part of any immigration reform plan as well. This Arizona law is a product of the failures of at least 4 or 5 administrations and it is obvious the current administration has no plans for making a serious effort to address this problem. They are simply doing the best they can with what amounts to zero help from a federal government who laid the groundwork and enabled this problem over the years.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Dude, I get that you violently hate illegals. Something has to be done about the problem; I even stand by Arizona's right to enact the law to combat the problem. However, it seems obvious to me that it invites racial profiling that could affect hispanics that are here legally. That is an obvious, unfortunate byproduct of this legislation, and it simply is not just like any other law on the books as some of you suggest.
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besides the state's ability to enforce the Law, what's different than the Federal statutes
 
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LawVol13 said:
I'm ok with it now, as I think it is a necessity for Arizona. But, it seems obvious to me that a state on the Mexico-US border is directing this law to combat hispanic illegal immigrants. And it potentially poses problems for those hispanics in Arizona that are there legally, which is something that you and I don't and won't have to experience.
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If it were French, Dutch, German or any other nationality who happened to white jumping the border by the millions I feel the same way. I might have to go through a little more hassle in my daily life but the law is the law. That would certainly be better in my view than standing by and doing nothing to address the problem.
 
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KB5252 said:
How is this, it invites it less than current federal law as it is written. We haven't enforced federal immigration law for some time and for a variety of reasons with worrying about the backlash from illegal and legal immigrants being number one on that list. Simply ignoring the problem has gotten us nowhere, giving amnesty has only broadened the problem. We cannot stick our heads in the sand and do nothing.

If police make contact and ask for papers and they are provided there is no problem, the person goes on their way. If they do not have documentation they have to go. We must take away all avenues of employment and social services for illegals as part of any immigration reform plan as well. This Arizona law is a product of the failures of at least 4 or 5 administrations and it is obvious the current administration has no plans for making a serious effort to address this problem. They are simply doing the best they can with what amounts to zero help from a federal government who laid the groundwork and enabled this problem over the years.[/QUOTE]

Absolutely agree with this. However, I still believe that a by-product of this legislation will be racial profiling. But I feel that the fault of this lays at the feet of the federal government, not Arizona.
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QUOTE=LawVol13;3653167]Dude, I get that you violently hate illegals. Something has to be done about the problem; I even stand by Arizona's right to enact the law to combat the problem. However, it seems obvious to me that it invites racial profiling that could affect hispanics that are here legally. That is an obvious, unfortunate byproduct of this legislation, and it simply is not just like any other law on the books as some of you suggest.[/QUOTE]

So me referring to a law is Violent??? I get it , go ahead and add that i am a Violent white racist hatemonger too. Hmmm..:question:that kinda of sounds like stereotyping too. I know you didnt say that but that is something that is consistently said when opposing this issue.

Anyways thats the weak argument your side presents when my side presents the LAW, lawvol ..I dont , as you say, Hate illegals. I loathe the slimy politicians and business owners who use this for political gain or cheap labor. Or the people that would rather stand up for a criminals rights over mine.

Gosh, i sure hope Arizona authorities , in an effort to apprehend the murder(s) of that Rancher a few weeks ago, don't ask to see someones papers and risk hurting their feelings just to help get a poor illegal criminal off the streets.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Absolutely agree with this. However, I still believe that a by-product of this legislation will be racial profiling. But I feel that the fault of this lays at the feet of the federal government, not Arizona.
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not possible, since neither "Mexican" nor "Hispanic" is a race.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Dude, I get that you violently hate illegals. Something has to be done about the problem; I even stand by Arizona's right to enact the law to combat the problem. However, it seems obvious to me that it invites racial profiling that could affect hispanics that are here legally. That is an obvious, unfortunate byproduct of this legislation, and it simply is not just like any other law on the books as some of you suggest.
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LawVol13 said:
I'm ok with it now, as I think it is a necessity for Arizona. But, it seems obvious to me that a state on the Mexico-US border is directing this law to combat hispanic illegal immigrants. And it potentially poses problems for those hispanics in Arizona that are there legally, which is something that you and I don't and won't have to experience.
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For the extreme problem AZ has, and the crime(s) committed across the country by the illegal aliens, the legal citizens should not mind if it betters their country.

Some have figured out the in this bad economy some legal hispanics are losing jobs to the illegal ones. Sucks for them because they are playing by the rules of the land.
 
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There will be no more profiling with the AZ law than the Federal law. Only difference is AZ is gonna enforce theirs. If the Federal law was enforced, some would pull the profiling card on it.
 
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