New Arizona Immigration Law

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BeecherVol said:
FOXNews.com - Top Official Says Feds May Not Process Illegals Referred From Arizona

And legal citizens wonder why we have an immigration problem.

Political arrogance at its best.
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Has to be posturing. That's shirking their responsibility and anyone so doing should be summarily fired. I undrstand the slippery slope of enforcing everything, but I would immediately fire whoever made that comment.

The first ignored guy that commits a violent crime against an American will result in an ugly story and large civil suit. I wouldn't want to be the guy who willfully ignored the criminal.
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BigPapaVol said:
Has to be posturing. That's shirking their responsibility and anyone so doing should be summarily fired. I undrstand the slippery slope of enforcing everything, but I would immediately fire whoever made that comment.

The first ignored guy that commits a violent crime against an American will result in an ugly story and large civil suit. I wouldn't want to be the guy who willfully ignored the criminal.
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Hard ball play.

The court route is a dead end, and I think they know it.

They are now trying (to no success) to beat it into the publics head, that its racist profiling. Including the pre scripted remarks by the El Presidente of Mexico.
 
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volinbham said:
saw an analysis by Megan Kelly where she indicated the Federal Law is much stricter.

According to her, a 2005 SCOTUS decision (unanimous IIRC) said cops can stop anyone regardless of race, etc. and ask for immigration papers if they have any suspicion they may be here illegally - it doesn't have to be under the guise of other "contact" with the person (e.g. pulled over for speeding).

Bottomline, the reaction to this law has been way out of proportion to the law itself.
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Kelly is sharp and you'd have to think that anybody could do similar research and come up with similar conclusions. The hysterical handwringing by the OP (now banned, hehe) and others in this thread is purely political in nature and not based in anything resembling fact.
 
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MG1968 said:
Kelly is sharp and you'd have to think that anybody could do similar research and come up with similar conclusions. The hysterical handwringing by the OP (now banned, hehe) and others in this thread is purely political in nature and not based in anything resembling fact.
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When did Cash get banned?

Why?
 
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BeecherVol said:
I want him reinstated. The entertainment value in this form has dropped over the last 5 days.
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I agree. Plus he was a constant reminder to work on getting people to vote this fall. Idiots at the polls got us here because too many sat on their hands and let it happen.
 
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I didn't mean to completely drop out of the conversation but work and being sick derailed me a bit. I read all of the comments and thanks for the feedback. I always like to hear an opposing views and reactions. Some of you made very valid points about police procedure and gang activity that I hadn't considered.

I think the key with any law be it Immigration, IRS or something else is that it be applied fairly across all demographics. If it isn't then everyone loses.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill - Yahoo! News


So it's now legal to profile and further have the cops question hispanic-looking people in Arizona for no unprovoked reason other than the cop thinks the person is an illegal alien.

where's probable cause??? And skin color aint enough for any cop to ask any citizen a question about their legality
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dude i lived in phoenix for 2 years. this is what 90 percent of the citizens of that state wanted. they begged mccain and kyl to do something on the federal level but the yuma lettuce farmers had them on the take.
 
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What do you think about this, a little scary isn't it?

House Session, Part 2 - C-SPAN Video Library

My bet is it's elements of the Mexican Army loyal to any number of drug cartels operating in the area. Mexico has a serious problem and it's neglect has now made it a serious problem for us to deal with. The only problem is we are neglecting it as well.
 
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KB5252 said:
What do you think about this, a little scary isn't it?

House Session, Part 2 - C-SPAN Video Library

My bet is it's elements of the Mexican Army loyal to any number of drug cartels operating in the area. Mexico has a serious problem and it's neglect has now made it a serious problem for us to deal with. The only problem is we are neglecting it as well.
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Having seen postings of some of the people on this board, and having had plenty of discussions concerning the Mexcian drug wars in Spanish Class, I do find this to be extremely concerning.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Having seen postings of some of the people on this board, and having had plenty of discussions concerning the Mexcian drug wars in Spanish Class, I do find this to be extremely concerning.
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I would be really careful about talking politics in class, just letting you know from 1st hand experience
 
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The drug wars are becoming more and more of a problem. Not because they are any more ruthless but because they are becoming more and more fearless and have taken to murdering for effect, their assassinations are becoming common place in parts of the Southwestern US.
 
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I know Mexico may not be able to control these guys, but it's best they do all they an. It looks like the situation is getting worse. These issues are not widely publicized at the moment, but they could be. If it gets out that border patrol people get killed by drug cartels, this issue will get much more serious. There will be all kinds of debates concerning everything from illegal immigration to legalizing certain drugs, and the situation will get violent and ugly, and still find it's way into a left vs right debate.

However, if people find out that the Mexican military, either responding to the government or not, is responsible for American citizens dying, all hell will break loose here, and I'm pretty sure the end result of that situation will be worse for Mexico.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
I would be really careful about talking politics in class, just letting you know from 1st hand experience
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We weren't really discussing politics. Our discussions about the drug wars were really just students presenting current event articles and some brief discussion. I do know enough to know how horrible that would be to deal with, although I can't see it coming to that here.
 
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MG1968 said:
I always figured he was a troll created by LG. Their mutual admiration society was disturbing. :)
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There was a guy on the bball boards from Maryville that disappeared about the time he came around that had similar views. Cash made some reference to Blount Co. I made an assumption they were the same person.
 
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tigervol9802 said:
There was a guy on the bball boards from Maryville that disappeared about the time he came around that had similar views. Cash made some reference to Blount Co. I made an assumption they were the same person.
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as much as he talked about the racism and lack of diversity in small towns, I doubt he was from there. He and kicker33 were the same person and I think it was established that kicker was from Nashville.

either way, we have enough fun with LG, having a Mini-me LG was really redundant.
 
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The absolute worst case scenario as far as battling the drug cartels has come true. The very same Mexican Army units we trained is special operations tactics went rougue and most were actually lured to work for the larger cartels and now train their members. These aren't just drug runner they are well trained and well armed para military organizations. They have the Police and portions of the Mexican Army under it's influence. Border guards will accomplish nothing, we would have to have military units on the border and give them authority to enter Mexico to strike if we were serious about solving the problem.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I know Mexico may not be able to control these guys, but it's best they do all they an. It looks like the situation is getting worse. These issues are not widely publicized at the moment, but they could be. If it gets out that border patrol people get killed by drug cartels, this issue will get much more serious. There will be all kinds of debates concerning everything from illegal immigration to legalizing certain drugs, and the situation will get violent and ugly, and still find it's way into a left vs right debate.

However, if people find out that the Mexican military, either responding to the government or not, is responsible for American citizens dying, all hell will break loose here, and I'm pretty sure the end result of that situation will be worse for Mexico.
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Mexican military and police are already responsible for American deaths, who do you think the enforcers are for the cartels?
 
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KB5252 said:
The absolute worst case scenario as far as battling the drug cartels has come true. The very same Mexican Army units we trained is special operations tactics went rougue and most were actually lured to work for the larger cartels and now train their members. These aren't just drug runner they are well trained and well armed para military organizations. They have the Police and portions of the Mexican Army under it's influence. Border guards will accomplish nothing, we would have to have military units on the border and give them authority to enter Mexico to strike if we were serious about solving the problem.
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If it has to come to that, it will.
 
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KB5252 said:
Mexican military and police are already responsible for American deaths, who do you think the enforcers are for the cartels?
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Oh, I agree with you, but it doesn't seem like the general public is aware of it. They see and hear that "drug cartels" are responsible. If/when the American public makes the connection about what's going on, and realizes that our citizens are dying at the hands of the Mexican military on our soil, it will be a lot worse.
 
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