New mexico allows killing babies

[luthervol]

Guess I’ll have to provide this again. You claim that a “living human being” is a person who is born and alive. Thus if they are not born, according to you they are not a living human being. You flip flop and talk out of your a** so much even you can’t make sense of the sh** you post. So go ahead, clarify. Is a 9 month old in the womb human? Is it living? If you say no, go ahead and give some scientifically backed reasoning that supports the baby not being human or as you stupidly put, “less human”. Give scientifically backed reasoning to support that the baby wouldn’t be considered living.
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This gets monotonous even for me....
Let's take another approach. Do you think a five year old and a zygote are equally human?
If you say yes, there is no need for us to continue the discussion.
If you say no, then you are admitting that there is a developmental process to becoming human.

 

[615vols]

This gets monotonous even for me....
Let's take another approach. Do you think a five year old and a zygote are equally human?
If you say yes, there is no need for us to continue the discussion.
If you say no, then you are admitting that there is a developmental process to becoming human.

Nice tap dance around the points I made. You avoided my post because you could not logically answer to the contradictory posts and assertions you’ve made in here. It’s fine, you’re defeat is plain for all to see.

 

[luthervol]

Nice tap dance around the points I made. You avoided my post because you could not logically answer to the contradictory posts and assertions you’ve made in here. It’s fine, you’re defeat is plain for all to see.

That's what I thought. I'm guessing even you see the predicament you guys try to ignore.

 

[615vols]

That's what I thought. I'm guessing even you see the predicament you guys try to ignore.

Coming from the guy who couldn’t support his own claims I’ll post it again, let’s see if you can at least attempt.
You claim that a “living human being” is a person who is born and alive. Thus if they are not born, according to you they are not a living human being. So go ahead, clarify. Is a 9 month old in the womb human? Is it living? If you say no, go ahead and give some scientifically backed reasoning that supports the baby not being human or as you stupidly put, “less human”. Give scientifically backed reasoning to support that the baby wouldn’t be considered living.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Coming from the guy who couldn’t support his own claims I’ll post it again, let’s see if you can at least attempt.
You claim that a “living human being” is a person who is born and alive. Thus if they are not born, according to you they are not a living human being. So go ahead, clarify. Is a 9 month old in the womb human? Is it living? If you say no, go ahead and give some scientifically backed reasoning that supports the baby not being human or as you stupidly put, “less human”. Give scientifically backed reasoning to support that the baby wouldn’t be considered living.

He won't answer that. Guaranteed

 

[615vols]

He won't answer that. Guaranteed

I know, he already avoided it once. I’m gonna keep pressing him on it anyways though simply because it’s some of the most idiotic stuff I’ve seen on here.

 

[luthervol]

Coming from the guy who couldn’t support his own claims I’ll post it again, let’s see if you can at least attempt.
You claim that a “living human being” is a person who is born and alive. Thus if they are not born, according to you they are not a living human being. So go ahead, clarify. Is a 9 month old in the womb human? Is it living? If you say no, go ahead and give some scientifically backed reasoning that supports the baby not being human or as you stupidly put, “less human”. Give scientifically backed reasoning to support that the baby wouldn’t be considered living.

By definition, a nine month old in the womb is an unborn fetus.
I have said REPEATEDLY it is more human than an 8 month old fetus and less human than a one month old baby.

Your turn. Is a five year old and a zygote equally human? Spacecoast can jump in with an answer also, if he's so moved.

 

[Wireless1]

Generally speaking, the problem with these discussions is verbiage. What do you mean “life”? A human in a permanent vegetative state certainly constitutes life, but it doesn’t constitute a person.

I personally believe we are all much more than just a collection of organic and genetic matter that is working together. At some point during gestation we become a person and before that point we are not a person. I don’t know when that point is, but it certainly isn’t at conception and implantation, and likewise, at nine months it certainly is a person. The demarcation line in between when it happens is the struggle point for me.

How many women seem to know the personality of their baby well before they are born, not just based on how much or little they move?
I’ll give you a clue, it’s because that baby still in the womb has a spirit and that mother’s spirit knows that baby and will that baby’s entire life.

 

[615vols]

By definition, a nine month old in the womb is an unborn fetus.
I have said REPEATEDLY it is more human than an 8 month old fetus and less human than a one month old baby.

Your turn. Is a five year old and a zygote equally human? Spacecoast can jump in with an answer also, if he's so moved.

But you didn’t answer to your original claim, which I’ll post for the THIRD freaking time. You defined a living human being as someone born and alive. So back up your claim Luther. Explain scientifically how a 9 month old baby in the womb is either not human or not living. Quit dancing around it.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Generally speaking, the problem with these discussions is verbiage. What do you mean “life”? A human in a permanent vegetative state certainly constitutes life, but it doesn’t constitute a person.

I personally believe we are all much more than just a collection of organic and genetic matter that is working together. At some point during gestation we become a person and before that point we are not a person. I don’t know when that point is, but it certainly isn’t at conception and implantation, and likewise, at nine months it certainly is a person. The demarcation line in between when it happens is the struggle point for me.

A human in a permanent vegetative state certainly constitutes life but doesn’t constitute a person? You are a piece of human garbage. You and anyone who agrees with this statement doesn’t deserve to procreate.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Viability and sentience.

So living people who aren’t sentient?

 

[luthervol]

But you didn’t answer to your original claim, which I’ll post for the THIRD freaking time. You defined a living human being as someone born and alive. So back up your claim Luther. Explain scientifically how a 9 month old baby in the womb is either not human or not living. Quit dancing around it.
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Simple....I'm going to type it slowly for you......read carefully.
It is a nine month old living fetus that is more human than an 8 month old living fetus and less human than a one month old living human.

Now your turn.....for the fourth time.
Are a five year old and a zygote equally human?

 

[Rickyvol77]

But you didn’t answer to your original claim, which I’ll post for the THIRD freaking time. You defined a living human being as someone born and alive. So back up your claim Luther. Explain scientifically how a 9 month old baby in the womb is either not human or not living. Quit dancing around it.
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He won’t say it because he trapped himself in a illogical statement without realizing it

 

[Rickyvol77]

Simple....I'm going to type it slowly for you......read carefully.
It is a nine month old living fetus that is more human than an 8 month old living fetus and less human than a one month old living human.

Now your turn.....for the fourth time.
Are a five year old and a zygote equally human?

Is abortion of a 9 month old baby inside the womb killing a human being?

 

[luthervol]

Is abortion of a 9 month old baby inside the womb killing a human being?

It's killing more of a human being than if it would have been if aborted at 8 months. That's why it never happens except under the most horrible of unavoidable circumstances and only to protect the life of the mother (who is more human)

 

[rjd970]

A human in a permanent vegetative state certainly constitutes life but doesn’t constitute a person? You are a piece of human garbage. You and anyone who agrees with this statement doesn’t deserve to procreate.

You can call me what you want and appeal to whatever emotional baseline makes you feel better. But in a permanent vegetative state, with no possibility of ever coming back, that is not a person anymore. Everything that makes that persons a unique individual is gone. They can’t respond to stimuli, they can’t think, feel, react, love, or form any emotional attachment. At that point they are literally nothing but a breathing biological body and will always stay that way.

We are more than that. If you believe in God, I would certainly think he would agree we are more than the crude matter that we walk around in.

Call me garbage all you want, but it’s extremely cruel and stupid to equate that with what me and you feel and what makes us spiritual and emotional beings.

How about you stop with the emotional pleas and insults and look at this like a reasonable and rational adult?

 

[luthervol]

Is abortion of a 9 month old baby inside the womb killing a human being?

Feel free to answer the question that no one else will answer.

It seems as if I answer all of the questions from you guys yet you answer none of mine. Odd.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

You can call me what you want and appeal to whatever emotional baseline makes you feel better. But in a permanent vegetative state, with no possibility of ever coming back, that is not a person anymore. Everything that makes that persons a unique individual is gone. They can’t respond to stimuli, they can’t think, feel, react, love, or form any emotional attachment. At that point they are literally nothing but a breathing biological body and will always stay that way.

Call me garbage all you want, but it’s extremely cruel and stupid to equate that with what me and you feel and what makes us spiritual and emotional beings.

How about you stop with the emotional plea and look at this like a reasonable and rational adult?

I consider all human beings as persons. Sorry I don’t agree with you. And it’s got nothing to do with emotion. It’s got to do with being a decent human being. You obviously aren’t one. And anyone who agrees with your position on this isn’t one either. Hopefully you never have to deal with a loved one who enters a vegetative state.

So I am curious about one thing that kind of ties into the conversation here. By your logic someone who is in a permanent vegetative state is no longer a person. By that premise would be ok to just kill them? If not, why?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

It's killing more of a human being than if it would have been if aborted at 8 months. That's why it never happens except under the most horrible of unavoidable circumstances and only to protect the life of the mother (who is more human)

Wow. It’s still killing a human being.

 

[Rickyvol77]

It's killing more of a human being than if it would have been if aborted at 8 months. That's why it never happens except under the most horrible of unavoidable circumstances and only to protect the life of the mother (who is more human)

So you agree it is killing a human being before the baby is born? Correct?

 

[rjd970]

I consider all human beings as persons. Sorry I don’t agree with you. And it’s got nothing to do with emotion. It’s got to do with being a decent human being. You obviously aren’t one. And anyone who agrees with your position on this isn’t one either. Hopefully you never have to deal with a loved one who enters a vegetative state.

So I am curious about one thing that kind of ties into the conversation here. By your logic someone who is in a permanent vegetative state is no longer a person. By that premise would be ok to just kill them? If not, why?

They are already dead.

What are you actually talking about? They are medically brain dead, literally that person is no longer alive. The body is, sure. The person is absolutely, medically, scientifically, and spiritually gone. There is simply no arguing that. Remove the feeding tube and let them pass.

In fact, I would call it cruel unusual to keep the biological functions artificially alive.

I’m dead serious when I say the decent human being here isnt you.

And yes, I have had to remove a feeding tube from a loved one and I have it written in a legal Will I also want it done so I’m not left the whim of the cruelty you seem to want to subject because you can’t get past emotional stupidity and be a rational adult.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

They are already dead.

What are you actually talking about? They are medically brain dead, literally that person is no longer alive. The body is, sure. The person is absolutely, medically, scientifically, and spiritually gone. There is simply no arguing that. Remove the feeding tube and let them pass.

In fact, I would call it cruel unusual to keep the biological functions artificially alive.

I’m dead serious when I say the decent human being here isnt you.

And yes, I have had to remove a feeding tube from a loved one and I have it written in a legal will I also want it done so I’m not left the whim of the cruelty you seem to want to subject because you can’t get past emotional stupidity and be a rational adult.

Feel proud you feel that way. I don’t care. IMO you are a sorry excuse for a human being.

 

[Rickyvol77]

They are already dead.

What are you actually talking about? They are medically brain dead, literally that person is no longer alive. The body is, sure. The person is absolutely, medically, scientifically, and spiritually gone. There is simply no arguing that. Remove the feeding tube and let them pass.

In fact, I would call it cruel unusual to keep the biological functions artificially alive.

I’m dead serious when I say the decent human being here isnt you.

And yes, I have had to remove a feeding tube from a loved one and I have it written in a legal will I also want it done so I’m not left the whim of the cruelty you seem to want to subject because you can’t get past emotional stupidity and be a rational adult.

There are living human beings who don’t feel pain, who have no self awareness of reality or themselves. Or are in comas. That are fully alive but not “sentient”. It’s stupid to classify these people as “not alive”

 

[rjd970]

Feel proud you feel that way. I don’t care. IMO you are a sorry excuse for a human being.

The feeling is mutual, I assure you.

 

[Septic]

So living people who aren’t sentient?

I thought I was clear enough for even you to grasp it, viable outside of the womb and sentient. I'm not asking you to agree or even debate my opinion with you, accept it or don't.