New mexico allows killing babies

[luthervol]

Yet for some reason physical location of this square determines what it is?

Not location, characteristics.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Not location, characteristics.

So you are completely for this Bill regardless of the circumstances yes?

 

[luthervol]

Yet for some reason physical location of this square determines what it is?

Do you believe a zygote is a separate living human? You may have addressed this before, but I don't remember and I haven't been able to read the whole thread.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Do you believe a zygote is a separate living human? You may have addressed this before, but I don't remember and I haven't been able to read the whole thread.

How about a 7th, 8th or 9 month old?

 

[luthervol]

So you are completely for this Bill regardless of the circumstances yes?

I have not been able to read the bill, so I have no idea. But I would love to read it. Has anyone posted it?

 

[luthervol]

How about a 7th, 8th or 9 month old?

Certainly much more so than a zygote but less so than a newly born full term baby.
I believe it grows from a non-viable two cell zygote to a human baby gradually over a nine month period.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Certainly much more so than a zygote but less so than a newly born full term baby.
I believe it grows from a non-viable two cell zygote to a human baby gradually over a nine month period.

Your beliefs in this are seriously flawed. Plenty of babies have been found in garbage cans at 28 weeks surviving on their own. That’s a living human being. Aborting that is murder.

Please explain why it’s fine to murder a living human being but you will go to prison for murdering a police dog? Or killing an endangered animal?

 

[Tyler Durden]

Your beliefs in this are seriously flawed. Plenty of babies have been found in garbage cans at 28 weeks surviving on their own. That’s a living human being. Aborting that is murder.

Please explain why it’s fine to murder a living human being but you will go to prison for murdering a police dog? Or killing an endangered animal?

I feel like this claim needs a link

 

[luthervol]

Your beliefs in this are seriously flawed. Plenty of babies have been found in garbage cans at 28 weeks surviving on their own. That’s a living human being. Aborting that is murder.

Please explain why it’s fine to murder a living human being but you will go to prison for murdering a police dog? Or killing an endangered animal?

At what point did it become a living human being?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

..... right up to birth...

I guess post birth abortion will be next.

New Mexico House Committee Passes Bill to Legalize Killing Babies in Abortions Up to Birth

Don't shoot the messenger. Abortion is legal and usually govt funded in Israel -up to the point where the umbilical cord is cut- and traditionally Jewish families often do not have a funeral for a child which dies before it is one month old as it's considered not fully human yet.

The best idea would be to defund ALL SUPPORT for such an awful country, right?

https://www.beadchaim.com/article/abortion-in-israel

 

[hndog609]

At what point did it become a living human being?

Just throwing this in here as a reference point in the debate.

When Is It Safe to Deliver Your Baby? | University of Utah Health

 

[LouderVol]

Is it a human though? It's a human fetus sure, but shouldnt sentience be considered?

Lots of nasty hurtles, like agreeing on terminology - before anyone could rationally make a case for "murdah."

Definitely human.

Lack of Sentience on the other end to justify pulling the plug has to be medically proved. These fetus's dont get even that level of protection. We know they feel pain pretty early on in their development, I would say that at least counts. They also start reacting to outside stimuli pretty early too.

Beyond that how much more sentient do you expect a young being to be? You wont get Socrates from a new born. I guess we can off them too.

 

[LouderVol]

Do you believe a zygote is a separate living human? You may have addressed this before, but I don't remember and I haven't been able to read the whole thread.

My definition is the same as the women's body. Once her body reacts to those cells she is a mom. That's not me or my God saying that, that's simple science.

I am fine with any contraceptive process before implantation. I am even fine with chemically reducing the chances of implantation.

Any point after that, give the human a fair chance.

Your zygote question is a red herring, doctors dont abort zygotes.

 

[LouderVol]

At what point did it become a living human being?

Are the cells that make it up mostly alive and functioning properly? If yes, then its alive.

If its DNA is human its human.

I would hate to see what eugenics you people would support for the mentally handicapped. Questionable sentience, questionable ability to care for oneself, questionable humanity.

 

[C-south]

Are the cells that make it up mostly alive and functioning properly? If yes, then its alive.

If its DNA is human its human.

I would hate to see what eugenics you people would support for the mentally handicapped. Questionable sentience, questionable ability to care for oneself, questionable humanity.

That last paragraph describes him perfectly.

 

[luthervol]

Are the cells that make it up mostly alive and functioning properly? If yes, then its alive.

If its DNA is human its human.

I would hate to see what eugenics you people would support for the mentally handicapped. Questionable sentience, questionable ability to care for oneself, questionable humanity.

Well we just disagree.
Some feel the moment of the sperm penetrating the egg is the sacred point at which a new life begins. I don't.
Some feel the sperm and egg are sacred individually and that any birth control is an abomination. You don't.
I'm comfortable with abortion pre-viability - let's say 21 weeks.
After that point, there would need to be some special circumstances.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

If "life begins at conception" you have a thorny problem for couples trying to conceive. About 40-60% of blastocysts either fail to implant or fail shortly afterward, often before pregnancy is known.

Should a couple attempting to conceive be forced to have the woman's menses examined for a possible "human life" being thrown away as a spent menstrual pad or flushed as a used tampon? If not, how can you claim there "sanctity of life" in blastocyst?

It's not an obscure problem. Humans are not that efficient at reproducing, technically. MANY fertilized eggs pass in menses and if they are "human" don't they deserve the dignity of a human funeral and burial? If not, why not?

Early embryo mortality in natural human reproduction: What the data say

 

[imw8n4u]

When are people going to wake up and realize politicians do not want to overturn Roe, they want the issue so they can pander to single issue voters.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Have you seen the bill or can you provide the portion about killing babies up to birth?

What is wrong with their law the way it is written?

 

[82_VOL_83]

Can anyone provide an actual copy of the bill, or at least the portion in question?

LTR loother. Google is your friend.

 

[GSD82]

New Mexico is a blue state, if we could get this adopted in all blue states that would be a good thing. I support less democrats being born

 

[luthervol]

LTR loother. Google is your friend.

I did. Couldn't find a copy.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Then why didn't you say human beings instead of living things?
How about white rhinos, bald eagles, or the stray cat in your neighborhood?

I saw another story where an eagle was found with gunshot wounds just the other day. Only a 100% total idiot would do such a thing IMO.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I'm sure it's inferred and dressed up to invoke maximum outrage.

Why don't you read it so you won't have to infer.

 

[luthervol]

Why don't you read it so you won't have to infer.

For me at least, it's because I can't find it and no one on here will provide it.

Have you read it?