New Pay Raise for Fulmer Announced (Merged)

What Do you think about Fulmer's raise?

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#26
#26
the more i think about this thread and the post that originated, the dumber it all starts to look to me.

a) in regards to recruiting rankings, his platform is that coaching stability does not lead to better recruiting over time, yet he uses only a 5 year time span, and then uses a subset of that time span to prove the point. ridiculous. Over time, stability does reap some benefit. if you want proof, go back a little further in the recruiting rankings and see how we did when LSU was going thru the mike archers and gerry dinardos of the world or GA was going thru Ray Goff and Jim Donnan etc....my stance would be coaching changes in and of itself have no positive bearing on recruiting unless.........

b)you get the right frickin coach. the changes BAma, LSU and FL made all made positive impacts because of the coaches they hired. not changing coaches all together. the premise he laid out for us may be correct, but for the wrong reason. hence why it's dumb.

c) playing kids early. load of crap. all of the examples he's laid out are fine well and good.....for the SHORT TERM. but let's see how a true freshman competes and plays in lieu of Percy Harvin or Tim Tebow or some of the other guys that are now going to be JR's and SR's the next few years. as Meyer and Saban bring in their personnel, their teams will get older by default. the reason MOST COACHES play older, veteran players is that generally, they are BETTER. in FL' s case, which is the exception, no the rule, Meyer has been playing all these kids early because he basically had to. he needed players to fit his system. which automatically opened up competition to the newcomers. Good for him, it's worked out well. but next year and going forward, i'd be willing to bet you'll see less and less Tr Fr starting for the Gators in favor of the kids he's recruited the last couple of years......who by the way have been part of top 3 classes........the same will be true of Saban and Bama.

c)national recruiting comparison against FSU and PSU. hm. would anyone really debate whether or not Pennsylvania or Florida had a little more in state talent to work with than Tennessee? didn't think so. next.

d) this whole thing reads like some manifesto of someone that needs convincing that CPF has just lost it and must go.

he may need to go, but the rhetoric put forth here ain't the reason why. and if this is your new battle cry for Fire Fulmer or is what puts you over the edge on the debate, then i'm just sorry for you.

there are plenty of tangible, on the field competition driven reasons, that are not worth listing here, as to why Fulmer may need to go. and that is, at the end of the day, all that matters.

the rest of this garbage is just semantics and window dressing.
 
#28
#28
tennfanatic said:
It amazes me that Fulmer would even take a pay raise. I mean what has he done over the last ten years. The only thing Fulmer has done consistently is make us a mediocre program in the SEC.
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Yea If I were him I would have turned it down.:crazy:
 
#30
#30
I would hope that the pay increase, and the extension, are a matter of making UT as lucrative a position as possible. It won't do to have a head coach making less than his counterparts when we want to be considered equals on some level. In other words, when the day finally comes that Fulmer steps down, or is fired, from the University of Tennessee other coaches can see that we have fairly compensated our head coach during the search for a new one. I seriously doubt that is the thinking behind this, but it is the only reasonable explanation I can come up with. I'm basically with everyone else, I don't mind the extension or an incentive based raise, but I do mind a very high buy-out.
 
#31
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VolDad said:
What more were you looking for?
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something that actually explained why this may or may not be true. a) in state talent in FL and PA isn't exactly comparable to TN. b) a lot of things impact recruiting classes.....how many scholly's did each school have to offer those years? how many did they sign? just throwing up a number and saying "oh well, there you go"....is condescending to my intelligence level.

i think Fulmer's time has come and gone as well. but the BS laid out in this, is so far off the mark it's not even funny.
 
#32
#32
tennfanatic said:
I was being sarcastic! I just cant understand giving someone a raise for doing absolutely nothing. Nothing personal against the guy, but what has he done for the program over the last ten years. Where are the SEC championships or BCS game appearances.
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I don't agree with a base increase, increased buyout, or more than a 5 yr contract...

But concerning his performance, if you were as successful at a comparable level of competition in your field of expertise as Fulmer is... you wouldn't be here complaining about what he makes.

Fulmer is competing in by far and away the best conference in college football. I'm not an SEC homer. It hasn't always been that way. It probably won't always be that way. But right now if you look at the talent and coaching in the SEC... no other conference comes close.

Want some proof? Check out Zook. Run out of a rail at UF... two years later the Illini have their best season in years and a Rose Bowl berth.
 
#34
#34
now the contract and extension and buy out.......all worthy of critique......makes no sense to me either.
 
#35
#35
Also inexcusable, unconscionable, execrable...I was a Fulmer supporter until last year, but this is just repulsive...Hamilton needs to be smacked.

There was no point whatsoever to this, other than to protect his crony. As another poster mentioned, it's not like dozens of other schools (or probably any) are vying to steal our coach away from us. He's already making over two million a year; we haven't won the conference in ten years, despite multiple top-ten recruiting classes; we got annihilated last year by two of our three biggest rivals, and a PAC-1 team that ended up going 6-6...So that equals a lengthy extension with raises like he actually accomplished something?

Wow. Must be nice to have a job (Hamilton) in which you're completely immune from all accountability and have no shame about proving to the whole world you're a good ol' boy.
 
#36
#36
Longevity counts for something. Take us to another SEC CG this year Phil and let's win it this time. :rock::rock::rock:
 
#37
#37
how exactly does losing the sec title game and being on the bad end of 2 blowouts to your rivals constitute a pay raise?
 
#38
#38
Rasputin_Vol said:
He examined LSU, Bama, Florida, and FSU. Who should he be comparing ourselves to?
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ALL of those schools have a vastly superior recruiting bases to that of UT. The best region in Tn is even a disadvantage for UT since it is on the other side of the state. You might as well be recruiting eastern NC.
 
#40
#40
this thread is for people that need to be told what they think.:mf_surrender:
 
#41
#41
jakez4ut said:
something that actually explained why this may or may not be true. a) in state talent in FL and PA isn't exactly comparable to TN. b) a lot of things impact recruiting classes.....how many scholly's did each school have to offer those years? how many did they sign? just throwing up a number and saying "oh well, there you go"....is condescending to my intelligence level.

i think Fulmer's time has come and gone as well. but the BS laid out in this, is so far off the mark it's not even funny.
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It is clear that FL has more talent than Tennessee. I'm not quite sure how that relates to Fulmer's raise or this conversation, but it is what it is. The only thing that should concern you about recruits in Tennessee (which he hit on in the post) is that Alabama has gotten their fair share out of our state.
 
#43
#43
walt2007 said:
Wow. Must be nice to have a job (Hamilton) in which you're completely immune from all accountability and have no shame about proving to the whole world you're a good ol' boy.
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At the moment he benefits from hiring and retaining Bruce Pearl. As far as his football raise goes, Fulmer will either make this look like a very smart move (by returning the program to excellence), or a very costly one that ended up back-firing. Hamilton will have to bank on Fulmer not having any more losing seasons, and heaven forbid he has something back-to-back or close because then his job will be in jeopardy.
 
#44
#44
sjt18 said:
ALL of those schools have a vastly superior recruiting bases to that of UT. The best region in Tn is even a disadvantage for UT since it is on the other side of the state. You might as well be recruiting eastern NC.
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I thought it was a consensus that Fulmer's greatest talent is recruiting... why should a home recruiting base matter if he is actually that great?

Has something changed from the 90's and early 20's to now?
 
#45
#45
sjt18 said:
ALL of those schools have a vastly superior recruiting bases to that of UT. The best region in Tn is even a disadvantage for UT since it is on the other side of the state. You might as well be recruiting eastern NC.
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FSU has a better recruiting base and he clearly showed how their recruiting has gone down in spite of them being in Florida and them having stability at the head coaching position. The argument that a raise is needed to help in recruiting and show coaching stability is pure bull... Bowden can't even get much better talent than we are (which was also pointed out)...
 
#46
#46
Rasputin_Vol said:
It is clear that FL has more talent than Tennessee. I'm not quite sure how that relates to Fulmer's raise or this conversation, but it is what it is. The only thing that should concern you about recruits in Tennessee (which he hit on in the post) is that Alabama has gotten their fair share out of our state.
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who cares? we've gotten our fair share out of bama plenty over the years.....and like he was so eleoquent at pointing out, it's not like TN is putting out multiple future AA's every year. our bread and butter has NEVER been in state. why, because we can't rely on it.

so, every other couple of years, the best in state kid goes somewhere else......it happens, but it ain't the reason we lose and other teams win.

and if that's what you believe as a result of this post, then my previous posts apply to you on this subject.
 
#47
#47
OrangeEmpire said:
I thought it was a consensus that Fulmer's greatest talent is recruiting... why should a home recruiting base matter if he is actually that great?

Has something changed from the 90's and early 20's to now?
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Yes... Florida, Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, and LSU have all had coaching changes since 1998. And not just for the worse. All of these teams upgraded in the coaching position, all of them have won SEC championships since 1998, and you have 3 national championships and an undefeated season among those teams.
 
#49
#49
Rasputin_Vol said:
FSU has a better recruiting base and he clearly showed how their recruiting has gone down in spite of them being in Florida and them having stability at the head coaching position. The argument that a raise is needed to help in recruiting and show coaching stability is pure bull... Bowden can't even get much better talent than we are (which was also pointed out)...
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they also compete with FL and Miami, and everyone and thier brother recruits FL. the same problem that has affected us has affected FSU......Urban Meyer and FL have taken over that state....for now. it has much less to do with stability at FSU as much as it does with what Urban Meyer is doing at FL and RAndy Shannon is doing at Miami.
 
#50
#50
volfanbill said:
Fulmer's raise is all about credibility. It helps in recruiting and you can't really refute that. Also, as TVA said, tickets are still available for a number of games. But UT will still make good money no matter how long Fulmer is at the helm and no matter how many 8-5 seasons he leads us to.
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8-5 seasons? He's won 9 or more games 4 of the last 5 years and TN will win more than 8 this year. I know, 10 wins ain't what it used to be, but he's doing better than 8-5 seasons. Give the man some credit.
 
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