New SEC Divisions

[TheFlash1971]

How drunk are you right now? You aren't even quoting the correct posts.

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[Boston Vol]

No denying no matter how overrated I think he is, he will go down as one of the greatest college coaches ever. Your lucky to be Alabama fan.

Who is you? You’re quoting yourself.

 

[TheFlash1971]

Who is you? You’re quoting yourself.

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[JT3]

 

[golfballs]

Yes the greatest coach in college spurts history is “sooo overrated.”

Whether or not it’s true, this is kind of a counterproductive argument. The odds of someone who is called the greatest of all time at anything being overrated is relatively high.

 

[JT3]

I don't believe it. No way they could pull this off if it was true.

 

[TheFlash1971]

BiGTen gets soooomuch land grant money, extra 30-40 million is nothing to them.

 

[bamawriter]

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What's your question? My statement was pretty clear.

 

[chrismc1000]

This isn't going to happen and 4 super conferences would have 16 teams in them max when Texas and Oklahoma come to the SEC then we are maxed out and will no longer accept any more teams. If we wanted to accept more teams after texas and Oklahoma come to SEC then Arkansas and Missouri would have to leave imo

 

[golfballs]

Sorry, that’s kind of a weird pet peeve of mine. People who confound being “over/overrated” with being good/bad.

 

[number1volfanfrom76]

This old timer still misses the days when we were a 10 team conference. It was fun.

We had the most amazing traditions, history, stories and rivalries.

A lot of us miss those days. Gotten out of hand now

 

[DeepSpringsVol]

Sorry, that’s kind of a weird pet peeve of mine. People who confound being “over/overrated” with being good/bad.

I agree if I understand correctly. Like the people who say LeBron Sucks because isn't the best basketball player of all time bit most would say top 5 and maybe 2nd. So if you arent MJ you suck?

 

[volfanhill]

Never thought college players would make millions either but here we are

Did you ever think you would lie about the plane Butch flew in on? Come on man. Admit you were FOS. What a weird thing to lie about.

 

[89 VOLS grad]

This old timer still misses the days when we were a 10 team conference. It was fun.

We had the most amazing traditions, history, stories and rivalries.

I agree. I liked playing Auburn all the time! Even though, they have had our number for many years.

 

[Eastknox865]

This old timer still misses the days when we were a 10 team conference. It was fun.

We had the most amazing traditions, history, stories and rivalries.

Although I do agree with the old traditions at some point you have to start new ones.

 

[89 VOLS grad]

I don't want OSU and Michigan in the conference. How can two teams from the NORTH be in the SOUTHEASTERN conference. Yes, Arkansas and Missouri are close enough to be SOUTHEASTERN US. Get Miami, FSU, Clemson, and another ACC team. Have 4 divisions of 5 teams, play 4 divison games and play 5 more non divisional games on a rotation bases. You would play all other teams every three years. 9 SEC games is plenty! That would be a nice set up in my opinion! If the SEC expands to 20 and the playoff expands to 16, you probably have 10 SEC teams in the playoffs every year! LOL

 

[i2amavol]

You guys better wake up something bigger than football is coming..These teams are joining because the financial fallout that is about to happen ,they all realize they need each other ...Folks covid ain't over ..The hidden war is still raging...Call me crazy but the next two years are gonna get crazy and frankly tough ...GBO...

COVID isn't over, but the worst is behind us. November - December this year may have a few bumps, but not like this past year.

 

[VolInNW]

It’s Gruden till it ain’t.

Soon.

(Oops. Wrong thread???)

 

[Mose Phillip's Watch]

Did you ever think you would lie about the plane Butch flew in on? Come on man. Admit you were FOS. What a weird thing to lie about.

The pilot sent me a text saying that

 

[Mose Phillip's Watch]

if you are trying to get a riser out of everyone this is not how you do it

Not my idea bud just sharing

 

[OrangeEtBlanc]

Would personally like to see North Carolina & Virginia added if we went to 18. If 20, I guess we could throw in FSU & Clemson. ND to the BIG10, along with any decent ACC leftovers.

We’re probably looking at a type of SEC/ACC & BIG 10/ PAC-12 merger in the near future to break away from the NCAA. At the very least, only the SEC, BIG10 & PAC12 will survive realignment.

Many schools will be left holding the bag, especially smaller, private schools, which is the weakness of the ACC.

I believe the ACC will be in trouble as the super-conferences take form. The ACC has 5 private schools in Duke, Wake Forest, Boston College, Syracuse, and Miami. Only Miami is of any brand value out of that group with regards to football. 35% of their conference is comprised of these private universities. Contrast with the SEC, which only has Vanderbilt, 6% (after adding Texas and Oklahoma).

The ACC has NC, NCState, Duke, and Wake Forest all in one state, with only the Tar Heels of any football brand worth. This hurts TV market contracts due to such overlap.

Two teams in Virginia with UVA & VTech. Two teams in Florida with FSU & Miami.

Thus, the ACC has 14 teams in 9 states, with 4 in one state and another 4 in two other states. This means that nearly 60% of their conference universities reside in 30% of their geographic footprint by state. Contrast with the SEC, which has no more than 2 teams per state (UT/Vandy, Bama/Auburn, Ole Miss/Miss St, and soon Texas/A&M), a 12-state geographic footprint, a 50% to 25% ratio of teams to states redundancy, but also with more culturally “college-football-minded” populations and better brands.

Not only that, but 4/9 of ACC states already have SEC football presence, which is by far the bigger draw with the exception of Clemson over South Carolina. UK> UL, UGA>GT, UF>FSU, UM.

They have no great addition prospects outside of Notre Dame, but will the Irish save them? The BIG10 has a more lucrative TV contract, better football brands, and is closer geographically for the Golden Domers. Not to mention historical rivalries with Michigan and others. I find the BIG10 a more likely landing spot when it all shakes out, despite closer ties with the ACC in recent history. WVU will not move the needle much due to no desirability in TV contracts and average brand value.

The ACC also has no real expansion territory to gain, as they are walled-in by the SEC & BIG10. The SEC expanded westward, as may the BIG10. The PAC will expand eastward. The ACC has nowhere to go to add new teams. The SEC, BIG10, and PAC will grow, but the ACC will stagnate.

Thus, the long-term benefit of the top ACC teams (whether by brand or TV contract value) would be to flee to the SEC. Clemson, FSU, UNC, Virginia, and Miami would best serve themselves by trying to jump ship right now.

From the SEC perspective: UNC brings a new market plus a good brand in football (and absolute blue-blood in basketball). UVA brings a high-prestige flagship university with the DC market (and a good basketball program). To me, FSU, Miami, and Clemson are rather redundant in this conference. However, if 20 is the magic number, then UNC, UVA, Clemson, and FSU are the way to go. VT is a decent brand, but UVA is much more desirable between the two.

This obliterates a regional conference rival, consolidates TV markets and contract money, and prevents other conferences from substantially encroaching on SEC territory. It completely nukes any competition from the BIG10 & PAC for complete supremacy.

TL;DR: After the BIGXII implodes, the ACC will be next to fall. SEC adds UNC, UVA, FSU, and Clemson to propel college football into the era of the super-conference.

 

[Mose Phillip's Watch]

I'm a traditionalist...hate it all

 

[volinthenorth]

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Would personally like to see North Carolina & Virginia added if we went to 18. If 20, I guess we could throw in FSU & Clemson. ND to the BIG10, along with any decent ACC leftovers.

We’re probably looking at a type of SEC/ACC & BIG 10/ PAC-12 merger in the near future to break away from the NCAA. At the very least, only the SEC, BIG10 & PAC12 will survive realignment.

Many schools will be left holding the bag, especially smaller, private schools, which is the weakness of the ACC.

I believe the ACC will be in trouble as the super-conferences take form. The ACC has 5 private schools in Duke, Wake Forest, Boston College, Syracuse, and Miami. Only Miami is of any brand value out of that group with regards to football. 35% of their conference is comprised of these private universities. Contrast with the SEC, which only has Vanderbilt, 6% (after adding Texas and Oklahoma).

The ACC has NC, NCState, Duke, and Wake Forest all in one state, with only the Tar Heels of any football brand worth. This hurts TV market contracts due to such overlap.

Two teams in Virginia with UVA & VTech. Two teams in Florida with FSU & Miami.

Thus, the ACC has 14 teams in 9 states, with 4 in one state and another 4 in two other states. This means that nearly 60% of their conference universities reside in 30% of their geographic footprint by state. Contrast with the SEC, which has no more than 2 teams per state (UT/Vandy, Bama/Auburn, Ole Miss/Miss St, and soon Texas/A&M), a 12-state geographic footprint, a 50% to 25% ratio of teams to states redundancy, but also with more culturally “college-football-minded” populations and better brands.

Not only that, but 4/9 of ACC states already have SEC football presence, which is by far the bigger draw with the exception of Clemson over South Carolina. UK> UL, UGA>GT, UF>FSU, UM.

They have no great addition prospects outside of Notre Dame, but will the Irish save them? The BIG10 has a more lucrative TV contract, better football brands, and is closer geographically for the Golden Domers. Not to mention historical rivalries with Michigan and others. I find the BIG10 a more likely landing spot when it all shakes out, despite closer ties with the ACC in recent history. WVU will not move the needle much due to no desirability in TV contracts and average brand value.

The ACC also has no real expansion territory to gain, as they are walled-in by the SEC & BIG10. The SEC expanded westward, as may the BIG10. The PAC will expand eastward. The ACC has nowhere to go to add new teams. The SEC, BIG10, and PAC will grow, but the ACC will stagnate.

Thus, the long-term benefit of the top ACC teams (whether by brand or TV contract value) would be to flee to the SEC. Clemson, FSU, UNC, Virginia, and Miami would best serve themselves by trying to jump ship right now.

From the SEC perspective: UNC brings a new market plus a good brand in football (and absolute blue-blood in basketball). UVA brings a high-prestige flagship university with the DC market (and a good basketball program). To me, FSU, Miami, and Clemson are rather redundant in this conference. However, if 20 is the magic number, then UNC, UVA, Clemson, and FSU are the way to go. VT is a decent brand, but UVA is much more desirable between the two.

This obliterates a regional conference rival, consolidates TV markets and contract money, and prevents other conferences from substantially encroaching on SEC territory. It completely nukes any competition from the BIG10 & PAC for complete supremacy.

TL;DR: After the BIGXII implodes, the ACC will be next to fall. SEC adds UNC, UVA, FSU, and Clemson to propel college football into the era of the super-conference.

ACC has lots of basketball brand value. What happens to that in your scenario?

 

[VolBricks]

There is only 2 conferences in football the Bigten and SEC, they are the richest and once your in you don’t leave not unless your stupid.

or Georgia Tech

 

[golfballs]

You guys better wake up something bigger than football is coming..These teams are joining because the financial fallout that is about to happen ,they all realize they need each other ...Folks covid ain't over ..The hidden war is still raging...Call me crazy but the next two years are gonna get crazy and frankly tough ...GBO...

Not covid. Player pay