New York City

[NashVol11]

Except the local news coverage, NYT and other publications all taking a stance of the increase in violence. But in your eyes it’s just a political stunt, as you try to convince others to unsee what they see.

"The increase in violence" on the subway is subway deaths going from like 8 in 2023 to 12 in 2024 among 2 billion riders, which is a stupid conversation in a city where (again) several times more people die on the actual roads, but like I said idiots will believe whatever a conservative tabloid is selling them

 

[Majors]

Just like the other post, you took something with a very clear point (there was way more crime in the past but fewer bull**** tabloids dramatizing it), avoided the point - which is a verifiable fact - and just started rambling about unrelated BS

Nice but, but, but spin. Yes, many are aware of the violence and crime in the 70’-early 90’s of NYC. Thanks Rudy for cleaning up. How does that negate today? As I said, you’re trying to convince others to unsee what they have seen. Good luck with that.

 

[Majors]

"The increase in violence" on the subway is subway deaths going from like 8 in 2023 to 12 in 2024 among 2 billion riders, which is a stupid conversation in a city where (again) several times more people die on the actual roads, but like I said idiots will believe whatever a conservative tabloid is selling them

It’s not just the subways my guy. The subways is just another layer to the problem. See above where stabbings, murder, rape and robbery are just daily living.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Or maybe Hochul is engaging in a political stunt to appease suburban voters who read conservative tabloids and don't live here.

Or
Maybe the graphic nature of 2 crimes has brought escalation of awareness and an overreaction.
I don’t know if it’s a stunt so much as a way to calm the masses which is her job.

 

[NashVol11]

Nice but, but, but spin. Yes, many are aware of the violence and crime in the 70’-early 90’s of NYC. Thanks Rudy for cleaning up. How does that negate today? As I said, you’re trying to convince others to unsee what they have seen. Good luck with that.

You are proving my point, you can take someone who isn't very smart and allow them to "see" (1) NYC's crime rate, compared to multiple points in the past, and (2) a video of one crime, and they'll still focus on #2 and think the city is scary because videos are less complicated for them than statistics are

 

[NashVol11]

Or
Maybe the graphic nature of 2 crimes has brought escalation of awareness and an overreaction.
I don’t know if it’s a stunt so much as a way to calm the masses which is her job.

That's fair. I guess I am emphasizing that it is an overreaction

 

[Orangeslice13]

That's fair. I guess I am emphasizing that it is an overreaction

I think there’s a multifaceted issue here. It’s not just a New York issue. People have become ****** everywhere but I’m not so sure it’s that much worse than in the past. With social media we are now aware of every(damn)thing that happens and we get beat over the head with it.

There was a song back in the day called dirty laundry by Don Frye….i think. But it’s still accurate. People seem to love bad news

 

[Orangeslice13]

^^^^^
Don Henley
Dumbass

 

[NashVol11]

^^^^^
Don Henley
Dumbass

Thanks for reminding me of this song, it's a classic

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Or maybe Hochul is engaging in a political stunt to appease suburban voters who read conservative tabloids and don't live here. The only incident involving the NYPD in the subway was when they shot someone for jumping a turnstile and inadvertently shot a few other bystanders in the process

Defund NYPD!!!

 

[Orangeburst]

Maybe. Or she saw the video of a women set on fire and guy pushed in front of a train. Not sure that’s a political stunt, more public safety as the Governor.

or they actually asked their customers

Exclusive | Off the rails: Over half of NYC straphangers feel unsafe, unsatisfied on subways

This spring, just 45% of straphangers said they felt safe aboard trains, according to the results of the MTA’s Customers Count spring 2024 survey.

nypost.com

 

[Majors]

or they actually asked their customers

Exclusive | Off the rails: Over half of NYC straphangers feel unsafe, unsatisfied on subways

This spring, just 45% of straphangers said they felt safe aboard trains, according to the results of the MTA’s Customers Count spring 2024 survey.

nypost.com

Always good to get the pulse of the people you serve. Unfortunately for those surveyed, they read conservative tabloids and don't live there. Those numbers speak for themselves but will somehow be spun as unicorns and fantasy except for those violated.

 

[MemphisVol77]

Or
Maybe the graphic nature of 2 crimes has brought escalation of awareness and an overreaction.
I don’t know if it’s a stunt so much as a way to calm the masses which is her job.

That's fair. I guess I am emphasizing that it is an overreaction

A couple of reasons I can speculate as to why the media reporting of crime may be more sensationalized than it was 30 years ago.

1. Has NY suffered from any recession as severely as they did during the recessions of the 70s and 80s? It's my casual understanding that the 2000s housing crash didn't hit as hard as the manufacturing hits of the previous two.
2. Welfare/public housing reforms. Public housing in the 60s was largely concentrated to high rises in ghettos. Sociologist realized this had an adverse effect of normalizing welfare dependence as a way of life. I don't think NYC tore down high rises as aggressively as some cities, but didn't NYC start spreading their public housing apartments throughout the city?

@NashVol11
20-30 years when the crime rates were significantly higher, was crime spread out as much as it is now? Or, subway aside, was crime more concentrated into specific areas?

Outside looking in as I don't really care about the 'how safe is NY?' debate, I think you guys are probably spot on in regards to media reporting and political reaction. The hidden costs of gentrification............

 

[Majors]

Something tells me those riders never felt safer.
Not all heroes wear capes, sometimes they wear it as a plaid head scarf.

 

[jp1]

It’s not just the subways my guy. The subways is just another layer to the problem. See above where stabbings, murder, rape and robbery are just daily living.

I've posted this several times in the past, but we always get the avoidance by Nash. Felony assault numbers in 2024 were 29,417 for NYC. This is the highest that I can find in the last 24 years (I can only find numbers back to 2000 without putting actual time in). There has been a steady increase since 2020-2021 if you follow the numbers.

Im sure this is just conservative tabloids though.

 

[Majors]

I've posted this several times in the past, but we always get the avoidance by Nash. Felony assault numbers in 2024 were 29,417 for NYC. This is the highest that I can find in the last 24 years (I can only find numbers back to 2000 without putting actual time in). There has been a steady increase since 2020-2021 if you follow the numbers.

Im sure this is just conservative tabloids though.

It’s all fantasy, don’t believe what you see but what you’re told to believe.

Those numbers are minute for the population and should be discredited because of the publication. There was a time when NYC was far worse, as that somehow negates today as acceptable. This isn’t new, as you stated it was around 2020 that it was being reported of random stabbings in broad daylight and an increase in violence.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I've posted this several times in the past, but we always get the avoidance by Nash. Felony assault numbers in 2024 were 29,417 for NYC. This is the highest that I can find in the last 24 years (I can only find numbers back to 2000 without putting actual time in). There has been a steady increase since 2020-2021 if you follow the numbers.

Im sure this is just conservative tabloids though.

The other 6 major felony categories are down/flat

Murder and robbery are almost half of what they were in 2000.

Rapes are down a quarter compared to 2000

Burgarly and Auto Thefts are down by more than half compared to 2000

There has been a definite general increase since 2019 in most of the felony categories but by in large, the city is still safer than it was when Rudy was mayor...

 

[jp1]

The other 6 major felony categories are down/flat

Murder and robbery are almost half of what they were in 2000.

Rapes are down a quarter compared to 2000

Burgarly and Auto Thefts are down by more than half compared to 2000

There has been a definite general increase since 2019 in most of the felony categories but by in large, the city is still safer than it was when Rudy was mayor...

I dont disagree with any of that. Compared to the early 90's the numbers a pretty much less across the board. Crime is everywhere, not just in NYC, but should we stick our heads in the sand and say "crime was worse 30 years ago" so no reason to worry about it now? Felony assaults have increased every year since 2020 and the highest since 1993 (31 years) that i can find, to say that isn't concerning is avoiding the truth.

Media/Social media definitely bring more attention to the warts of society today moreso than in the past.

 

[NashVol11]

The other 6 major felony categories are down/flat

Murder and robbery are almost half of what they were in 2000.

Rapes are down a quarter compared to 2000

Burgarly and Auto Thefts are down by more than half compared to 2000

There has been a definite general increase since 2019 in most of the felony categories but by in large, the city is still safer than it was when Rudy was mayor...

I've said all of this to him, he's cherry-picking one category but still says I'm "avoiding" it lol

 

[NashVol11]

Media/Social media definitely bring more attention to the warts of society today moreso than in the past.

This is a very charitable way to describe LibsOfTikTok types treating every crime in a city as a sign of the apocalypse

 

[jp1]

I've said all of this to him, he's cherry-picking one category but still says I'm "avoiding" it lol

Well, are you avoiding it? Is it just the conservative tabloids picking on NYC, or is it a problem?

I wouldn't like my car being stolen, or my house being burglarized for that matter, but I would probably be more concerned with getting physically harmed then some of those categories. Murders and sexual violence being down are definitely wins for the city.....but we still have a major category that would be a concern for me if I lived there.

 

[jp1]

This is a very charitable way to describe LibsOfTikTok types treating every crime in a city as a sign of the apocalypse

Describe it however you want.

 

[NashVol11]

Well, are you avoiding it? Is it just the conservative tabloids picking on NYC, or is it a problem?

I wouldn't like my car being stolen, or my house being burglarized for that matter, but I would probably be more concerned with getting physically harmed then some of those categories. Murders and sexual violence being down are definitely wins for the city.....but we still have a major category that would be a concern for me if I lived there.

Declining to start Chicken Littling over your one cherry-picked category as crime is otherwise low across the board is not avoidance, no matter how much you try to play it up as the most important category after murder (which is way down) and rape, and above robbery and burglary

 

[Majors]

More cherry picking of things that didn’t happen by those who record them. Week to date, 28 day and YTD compared to 2024. No big deal as 1849 violent crime vs. 2285 that’s a whopping decline -19%. That’s worthy of an attaboy! We only had 5 murders compared to 7, but we need to lower those rape numbers.

https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cs-en-us-city.pdf

 

[jp1]

Declining to start Chicken Littling over your one cherry-picked category as crime is otherwise low across the board is not avoidance, no matter how much you try to play it up as the most important category after murder (which is way down) and rape, and above robbery and burglary

I get it. 3 or 4 more posts and you still haven't addressed it, but I'm cherry picking and you aren't avoiding.

Is felony assault numbers being the highest in almost your entire lifetime (not sure how old you are but I bet I'm close) a concern or just tabloid fodder?