New York City

[Orangeslice13]

Why do you say this?

Because the RNC is marine 101.

 

[hndog609]

From what I gather this is a bit reminiscent of the Drejka and Chauvin/Floyd incidents. By this I mean initial reactions seem justified. Drejka was clearly assaulted and Floyd was absolutely resisting arrest prior to being put on the ground. The issue is where it goes from there. Drejka had justifiable reason to pull his weapon after being knocked to the ground and advanced on. What landed him in jail was firing after the person recognized he was armed and was moving away. Having Floyd on the ground to be subdued isn't a problem but kneeling on the guy well past his showing any signs of responsiveness is why Chauvin is in prison. I don't think (at this point) there's much of an argument this subway guy couldn't have been lawfully subdued. Questions begin with what took place afterwards and what culpability could be involved.

As an aside a rear headlock need not be an actual choke hold. I'm certain an autopsy will be done and a better read on actual COD forthcoming.

 

[hog88]

Because the RNC is marine 101.

Depending on MOS his only hand to hand training was probably 4 hours in boot camp.

 

[volgr]

While I don't condone vigilantes, when Judges, police, etc stand down and allow citizens to be attacked on a routine basis by career criminals....you can't be surprised when citizens take matters into their own hands.

 

[NashVol11]

 

[Franklin Pierce]

NY GOP lawmaker threatens to grab NYC Mayor Eric Adams by the THROAT over plans to send 300 migrants to his county, as neighboring lawmaker says Adams 'ambushed' her too

Raging New York state officials have slammed NYC Mayor Eric Adams for 'ambushing' them with his plan to send hundreds of migrants to their towns.

Orange and Rockland County in upstate New York have been left in uproar over Adams' plans to spread the migrant crisis, saying their main concern is 'public safety.'

Republican Ed Day, the County Executive of Rockland, said he wants to 'grab Adams by the throat' for his decision to bus people out of the Big Apple as Title 42 is set to end on Thursday.

Rockland has issued a state of emergency, which means that migrants traveling to the cities in the area will be banned from housing migrants – with Day threatening to fine hotels $2,000 per day per migrant.

NY Republicans blast NYC Mayor Eric Adams' 'ambush' plan to house migrant surge in their towns | Daily Mail Online

 

[NashVol11]

NY GOP lawmaker threatens to grab NYC Mayor Eric Adams by the THROAT over plans to send 300 migrants to his county, as neighboring lawmaker says Adams 'ambushed' her too

Raging New York state officials have slammed NYC Mayor Eric Adams for 'ambushing' them with his plan to send hundreds of migrants to their towns.

Orange and Rockland County in upstate New York have been left in uproar over Adams' plans to spread the migrant crisis, saying their main concern is 'public safety.'

Republican Ed Day, the County Executive of Rockland, said he wants to 'grab Adams by the throat' for his decision to bus people out of the Big Apple as Title 42 is set to end on Thursday.

Rockland has issued a state of emergency, which means that migrants traveling to the cities in the area will be banned from housing migrants – with Day threatening to fine hotels $2,000 per day per migrant.

NY Republicans blast NYC Mayor Eric Adams' 'ambush' plan to house migrant surge in their towns | Daily Mail Online

Your last post here was celebrating a vigilante killing a homeless person, now it’s co-signing politicians fining hotels for housing migrants which is objectively insane lol

 

[VolStrom]

NY has come so far from their days of welcoming the busses from Texas and applauding the migrants to now vilifying them and the leaders of other states for sending them to them.

 

[Vol8188]

Possibly the dumbest tweet imaginable on the subject. A mentally ill man with a history of drug use and violence was openly threatening people.

He was then placed in a choke hold in order to protect others. To pretend this man was intentionally murdered is pathetic

And the only reason you even pretend to care is because one is black and the other is white

 

[NashVol11]

Possibly the dumbest tweet imaginable on the subject. A mentally ill man with a history of drug use and violence was openly threatening people.

He was then placed in a choke hold in order to protect others. To pretend this man was intentionally murdered is pathetic

And the only reason you even pretend to care is because one is black and the other is white

“In order to protect others from a guy yelling on the subway” lmao. Be more fragile.

Did I bring up race or did you? I’ll wait. I care because a fragile idiot came up on someone from behind, put him in a chokehold he had no idea how to apply, held him for 15 minutes as people told him the guy was dying, and killed him.

 

[Weezer]

Possibly the dumbest tweet imaginable on the subject. A mentally ill man with a history of drug use and violence was openly threatening people.

He was then placed in a choke hold in order to protect others. To pretend this man was intentionally murdered is pathetic

And the only reason you even pretend to care is because one is black and the other is white

I don't think he was intentionally murdered, but unintentionally murdering someone is still a crime. Whether he meant to or not, the guy killed a man.

 

[Vol8188]

“In order to protect others from a guy yelling on the subway” lmao. Be more fragile.

Did I bring up race or did you? I’ll wait. I care because a fragile idiot came up on someone from behind, put him in a chokehold he had no idea how to apply, held him for 15 minutes as people told him the guy was dying, and killed him.

A guy threatening them who has a past history of violence. If he were just yelling for no reason and at no one in particular multiple people would not have called 911 to report the incident prior to the marine getting involved.

Lol at the “had no idea how to apply”. “Where’s your community college certificate in chokeholds! You can’t do that!”. And let’s not pretend that part even matters. If he shows you proof of training from his military experience in hand to hand combat which covers chokeholds, you’re not going to say “well, he was certified!”. So why even bring up something so stupid?

I’ve seen the 15 minute claim from the media but idk of anything that backs up that claim. Can you?

Obviously you brought race up. People are murdered every day. The fact that you decided to speak out against this specific example implies your motivations are racial.

 

[NashVol11]

A guy threatening them who has a past history of violence. If he were just yelling for no reason and at no one in particular multiple people would not have called 911 to report the incident prior to the marine getting involved.

Did anyone on the train know about his “history of violence” or are you bringing that up for no reason at all? What was the most violent thing he did in the moments leading up to his murder?

Lol at the “had no idea how to apply”. “Where’s your community college certificate in chokeholds! You can’t do that!”. And let’s not pretend that part even matters. If he shows you proof of training from his military experience in hand to hand combat which covers chokeholds, you’re not going to say “well, he was certified!”. So why even bring up something so stupid?

I’ve seen the 15 minute claim from the media but idk of anything that backs up that claim. Can you?

Takes under 10 seconds if you know what you’re doing, which several here have already stated before you barged in a week later.

Obviously you brought race up. People are murdered every day. The fact that you decided to speak out against this specific example implies your motivations are racial.

LMAO this is possibly the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen posted on this site. I wasn’t even the one that brought up the murder, galaxy brain

 

[Vol8188]

I don't think he was intentionally murdered, but unintentionally murdering someone is still a crime. Whether he meant to or not, the guy killed a man.

Manslaughter would still require proof of negligence. If I prescribe you penicillin and you die, sometimes people die. If I prescribe you penicillin even though it’s listed on your allergy list, that’s different. Now there’s negligence.

When you have a long history of violence, and are actively threatening people, it’s likely you may be restrained to protect others. When that happens, x% of people restrained due die from it. It’s rare, but it happens.

With that said, if it is proven the guy was unconscious for several minutes and he still continued to choke him, I would he on board with manslaughter charges

 

[NashVol11]

Oh look, more talk about “history” that no one knew about to justify killing someone for saying mean words. We are all getting dumber with every 8188 post

 

[Vol8188]

Oh look, more talk about “history” that no one knew about to justify killing someone for saying mean words. We are all getting dumber with every 8188 post

By saying mean words, you mean literally threatening to kill other people?

No one is justifying killing the man. But just like how x% of people will take the covid vaccine and die, x% of people required to be restrained will also die.

I’m curious what would change your mind on this issue. If he had swung at another passenger, would you change your opinion?

 

[Weezer]

Manslaughter would still require proof of negligence. If I prescribe you penicillin and you die, sometimes people die. If I prescribe you penicillin even though it’s listed on your allergy list, that’s different. Now there’s negligence.

When you have a long history of violence, and are actively threatening people, it’s likely you may be restrained to protect others. When that happens, x% of people restrained due die from it. It’s rare, but it happens.

With that said, if it is proven the guy was unconscious for several minutes and he still continued to choke him, I would he on board with manslaughter charges

First off, the man who applied the choke hold wouldn't have known the other guy's history, so history has nothing to do with it. Only the actions that day.

Second, the actions of the man who applied the choke hold appear to have gone past the level of self-defense. From what I've read, I've seen no mention of the dead man having an actual weapon. Just the threat of physical violence. That threat was diminished fairly quickly. Intentional or not, the man died. The tweet was not wrong. "You can't just kill people". It's really not a hard argument to understand. Trying to absolve people of being responsible for their actions is a large part of the problem in this country.

 

[NashVol11]

By saying mean words, you mean literally threatening to kill other people?

No one is justifying killing the man. But just like how x% of people will take the covid vaccine and die, x% of people required to be restrained will also die.

I’m curious what would change your mind on this issue. If he had swung at another passenger, would you change your opinion?

Did he threaten to kill anyone or are you taking the word “threatened” and making things up? The worst actual quote I’ve seen is him saying he would be ok going back to jail because he was sick of not having food or water, which could easily be the extent of the “threatening”

 

[Vol8188]

First off, the man who applied the choke hold wouldn't have known the other guy's history, so history has nothing to do with it. Only the actions that day.

Second, the actions of the man who applied the choke hold appear to have gone past the level of self-defense. From what I've read, I've seen no mention of the dead man having an actual weapon. Just the threat of physical violence. That threat was diminished fairly quickly. Intentional or not, the man died. The tweet was not wrong. "You can't just kill people". It's really not a hard argument to understand. Trying to absolve people of being responsible for their actions is a large part of the problem in this country.

And the actions that day were obviously concerning to multiple passengers. Enough so that multiple people called 911 prior to the marine engaging him. The history matters because it shows the passengers and marine were likely right that if allowed to continue this would move from assault to battery.

How did it go past self defense?

 

[Vol8188]

Did he threaten to kill anyone or are you taking the word “threatened” and making things up? The worst actual quote I’ve seen is him saying he would be ok going back to jail because he was sick of not having food or water, which could easily be the extent of the “threatening”

Sure to be completely fair he said he would harm them and did not mind getting life in prison. But that obviously implies killing others.

Your turn to answer my question

Edit: I’ll add he was also throwing things at others. So we have assault and battery which you’re attempting to claim was just someone “yelling” and that it’s somehow weak to be worried about that

 

[Weezer]

And the actions that day were obviously concerning to multiple passengers. Enough so that multiple people called 911 prior to the marine engaging him. The history matters because it shows the passengers and marine were likely right that if allowed to continue this would move from assault to battery.

How did it go past self defense?

He went from incapacitating him to killing him. How did it not go past self-defense? I don't believe the marine intentionally killed the guy, but he DID kill the guy. He should face the consequences of his actions. FFS. I don't think the marine is an evil killer. But that doesn't matter. This went beyond the scope of self-defense. Every one of those people had the option to walk away. The marine made a decision to take action, and that action led to a death.

 

[Vol8188]

He went from incapacitating him to killing him. How did it not go past self-defense? I don't believe the marine intentionally killed the guy, but he DID kill the guy. He should face the consequences of his actions. FFS. I don't think the marine is an evil killer. But that doesn't matter. This went beyond the scope of self-defense. Every one of those people had the option to walk away. The marine made a decision to take action, and that action led to a death.

You’re confusing the actions and the outcome. I could punch you in self defense and you could die from that. That does not mean my actions went beyond the scope of self defense.

So how did this go beyond the scope of self defense? We have a man who responded to assault and battery from another man in a manner that is typically considered less harmful than throwing a punch. Unless you can show a video of the deceased going limp and then he continues to choke him, it’s hard to claim he went beyond the scope

 

[NashVol11]

You’re confusing the actions and the outcome. I could punch you in self defense and you could die from that. That does not mean my actions went beyond the scope of self defense.

So how did this go beyond the scope of self defense? We have a man who responded to assault and battery from another man in a manner that is typically considered less harmful than throwing a punch. Unless you can show a video of the deceased going limp and then he continues to choke him, it’s hard to claim he went beyond the scope

He came up behind the guy and later told police the guy hadn’t attacked him (I think he actually said the guy wasn’t threatening him, but don’t have it in front of me.) That’s not self-defense, there’s no indication anything was happening to him

 

[Vol8188]

He came up behind the guy and later told police the guy hadn’t attacked him (I think he actually said the guy wasn’t threatening him, but don’t have it in front of me.) That’s not self-defense, there’s no indication anything was happening to him

In your mind are you legally only allowed to render aid to yourself?

Or are you allowed to intervene on the behalf of others who are being assaulted and battered?

 

[NashVol11]

Sure to be completely fair he said he would harm them and did not mind getting life in prison. But that obviously implies killing others.

Your turn to answer my question

Edit: I’ll add he was also throwing things at others. So we have assault and battery which you’re attempting to claim was just someone “yelling” and that it’s somehow weak to be worried about that

Even the Fox News article about 911 calls can’t avoid this:

Neely, 30, a Michael Jackson impersonator who suffered from mental illness, was acting aggressively and screaming at other passengers – but hadn't attacked anyone, according to a freelance journalist who recorded the deadly confrontation.

Penny, 24, pulled Neely to the ground from behind and held him in a chokehold as two other men helped restrain the agitated man. Neely initially flailed his arms, but within minutes, can be seen going limp in the disturbing footage.

At one point, a fellow rider can be heard in the video telling the men that it looked like Neely had defecated on himself and warning them to be careful not to kill him.