Newport Animal Shelter Closing - Euthanizing Animals July 1

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InVOLuntary said:
Yea, I agree. They'll never get another penny of my money. And they're wrong just like you. I understand why you identify with them. Both judgmental jackasses.
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Of course you do. You'll take the side of a guy cussing and calling names over the professional organization whose mission is to look out for the welfare of the pets that they place.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Then your opinion takes precedence over the NCAA rules in your court?
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Of course you do. You'll take the side of a guy cussing and calling names over the professional organization whose mission is to look out for the welfare of the pets that they place.
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You're being ridiculous in this thread. The policy is obviously dumb and effectively kills dogs that could have had happy lives. Your connection between the mistreatment of animals and eating meat is just silly.
 
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jjay2518 said:
You're being ridiculous in this thread. The policy is obviously dumb and effectively kills dogs that could have had happy lives. Your connection between the mistreatment of animals and eating meat is just silly.
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It's not a dumb policy. It's one of the criteria that the Humane Society uses to ensure that the welfare of their animals is adhered to when placing them in the pet adoption process.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
It's not a dumb policy. It's one of the criteria that the Humane Society uses to ensure that the welfare of their animals is adhered to when placing them in the pet adoption process.
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It's misguided. I would argue that dogs left inside all day with no stimulation are much more likely to develop behavior and health issues than an outside dog in a safe, fenced environment. It should be handled on a case by case basis depending on the potential home and the dog breed instead of a blanket policy. Right now they're saying they would rather kill a dog than place it in a fenced yard. That's ludicrous.
 
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jjay2518 said:
It's misguided. I would argue that dogs left inside all day with no stimulation are much more likely to develop behavior and health issues than an outside dog in a safe, fenced environment. It should be handled on a case by case basis depending on the potential home and the dog breed instead of a blanket policy. Right now they're saying they would rather kill a dog than place it in a fenced yard. That's ludicrous.
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No kill shelters have the same adoption criteria.

I'm sure that the Humane Society has examined it from every possible angle. The bottom line is that they are putting the welfare of their animals above everything else. I'm sure that the people that come up with the adoption guidelines are smart, well educated individuals. They have to have them because much of the general public is stupid and/or evil.

Some people scan the free pets advertisements and pretend to be looking for a pet. When they get them they take the animals directly to labs in exchange for a couple of dollars. The labs then perform torturous experiments on those pets.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
No kill shelters have the same adoption criteria.

I'm sure that the Humane Society has examined it from every possible angle. The bottom line is that they are putting the welfare of their animals above everything else. I'm sure that the people that come up with the adoption guidelines are smart, well educated individuals. They have to have them because much of the general public is stupid and/or evil.

Some people scan the free pets advertisements and pretend to be looking for a pet. When they get them they take the animals directly to labs in exchange for a couple of dollars. The labs then perform torturous experiments on those pets.
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Just because their goal is putting the welfare of the animal first doesn't mean they're doing everything right. Their policy would place a high energy dog in a house where they would be crated 10+ hours a day a day only let out briefly on a leash a couple times a day. That dog is at very high risk of developing behavior problems, being returned to a shelter, and then having no chance of being adopted because now it's older and a "problem" dog. That was the exact story of the last dog I adopted. She had been returned to a private animal rescue that actually worked to place dogs in homes that fit their temperament.

I'm not really sure how your second paragraph fits into this discussion at all.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
No kill shelters have the same adoption criteria.

I'm sure that the Humane Society has examined it from every possible angle. The bottom line is that they are putting the welfare of their animals above everything else. I'm sure that the people that come up with the adoption guidelines are smart, well educated individuals. They have to have them because much of the general public is stupid and/or evil.

Some people scan the free pets advertisements and pretend to be looking for a pet. When they get them they take the animals directly to labs in exchange for a couple of dollars. The labs then perform torturous experiments on those pets.
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So they think it's in a dogs best interest to kill them instead of letting them live in a farm environment where they are allowed to run inside a fenced in area, fed and loved?
 
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hmanvolfan said:
So they think it's in a dogs best interest to kill them instead of letting them live in a farm environment where they are allowed to run inside a fenced in area, fed and loved?
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No kill shelters have the same criteria. So, no... the options aren't necessarily kill them or let any members of the general public take them with exceptions made for those promising good intentions.
 
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jjay2518 said:
Just because their goal is putting the welfare of the animal first doesn't mean they're doing everything right. Their policy would place a high energy dog in a house where they would be crated 10+ hours a day a day only let out briefly on a leash a couple times a day. That dog is at very high risk of developing behavior problems, being returned to a shelter, and then having no chance of being adopted because now it's older and a "problem" dog. That was the exact story of the last dog I adopted. She had been returned to a private animal rescue that actually worked to place dogs in homes that fit their temperament.

I'm not really sure how your second paragraph fits into this discussion at all.
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The second paragraph is a reason why the shelters have to have adoption criteria and follow it.

These shelter workers have to deal with the dumbass public as well as those with good intentions. They have rules and I don't blame them at all for not deviating from them.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
The second paragraph is a reason why the shelters have to have adoption criteria and follow it.

These shelter workers have to deal with the dumbass public as well as those with good intentions. They have rules and I don't blame them at all for not deviating from them.
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Guessing bad guys would lie about keeping their pets inside.
Hard to believe asking is some great safety wall.
 
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chargervol said:
Guessing bad guys would lie about keeping their pets inside.
Hard to believe asking is some great safety wall.
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It increases the odds of having a successful placement for the pet. They're screening homes as thoroughly as they possibly can... all with the welfare of the animals as their primary objective. The agreement allows them to check later. Often they will inspect the living arrangement on the front end.

They have seen all types of animal suffering and mistreatment. They're the experts and have created adoption criteria to eliminate as much of the suffering and mistreatment as possible. It's not a 100% flawless system... especially when they have to deal with stupid and/or evil members of the general public on a constant basis.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
It increases the odds of having a successful placement for the pet. They're screening homes as thoroughly as they possibly can... all with the welfare of the animals as their primary objective. The agreement allows them to check later. Often they will inspect the living arrangement on the front end.

They have seen all types of animal suffering and mistreatment. They're the experts and have created adoption criteria to eliminate as much of the suffering and mistreatment as possible. It's not a 100% flawless system... especially when they have to deal with stupid and/or evil members of the general public on a constant basis.
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I have seen terrible animal suffering and mistreatment at animal shelters.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
I have seen terrible animal suffering and mistreatment at animal shelters.
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And of indoor pets.
I don't begrudge them their attempts at welfare but blanket and zero tolerance policies always have negative effects. Always.
But shelters that do euthanasia upholding this bothers me more than the non kill.
 
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chargervol said:
And of indoor pets.
I don't begrudge them their attempts at welfare but blanket and zero tolerance policies always have negative effects. Always.
But shelters that do euthanasia upholding this bothers me more than the non kill.
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Shelters don't always have zero tolerance. They probably would for members of the public that are difficult to deal with.

They probably are very strict about not adopting as outdoor pets though.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
The second paragraph is a reason why the shelters have to have adoption criteria and follow it.

These shelter workers have to deal with the dumbass public as well as those with good intentions. They have rules and I don't blame them at all for not deviating from them.
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Yeah, that's why they have to have some sort of policy in place. The fact that the policy is bad and poorly thought out had nothing to do with that. Basically you're arguing that since there are bad people, the shelters need to implement policies that aren't in the animals best interest when there are better options available. That doesn't make any sense.
 
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jjay2518 said:
Yeah, that's why they have to have some sort of policy in place. The fact that the policy is bad and poorly thought out had nothing to do with that. Basically you're arguing that since there are bad people, the shelters need to implement policies that aren't in the animals best interest when there are better options available. That doesn't make any sense.
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Are you sure about the poorly thought out comment? Don't you think that they've met and discussed situations where somebody from the general public thinks they should be allowed to have outside animals and think that they know what's best for the pet that they want to adopt? You realize that those forming the policies collectively have years of shelter experience, are veterinary professionals, are members of law enforcement, and include others that are highly competent at understanding what is in the best interest of their animals?

There are very smart people working on writing up that adoption criteria and no doubt they've considered nearly every conceivable situation and thoroughly debated it before formulating their adoption criteria.

Everything that they do and consider in policy development is for the well being of their animals. That's why they exist.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Why would you even bring it up? It makes zero sense to say that in response to my post unless you thought, wrongly, that I intended to let my dogs run loose.

It's ok. Learn from this. Next time maybe ask, " do you intend to let your dogs run loose?" before you decide to tell someone they're f'd up and stupid.

Anybody on here think I took his post wrong?
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No. I agree with you, on everything.
 
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