Nick King on campus

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I still find it amusing that in three years Pastner has yet to beat a ranked opponent. That should give you an indication of how recruits are viewing memphis right now.
 
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Well him being on campus was confirmed by Rob Lewis. I retract my previous post about not believing until its confirmed.
 
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CAVol said:
Well him being on campus was confirmed by Rob Lewis. I retract my previous post about not believing until its confirmed.
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Haha it's cool man. I would be the same way. Especially with how it's been around here lately.
 
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CAVol said:
Well him being on campus was confirmed by Rob Lewis. I retract my previous post about not believing until its confirmed.
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Haha I was just about to tell ya that. Funny part is a poster on VQ reported it. Rob deleted the thread then started his own reporting it, classy.
 
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Shaun1985 said:
If a highschool kid really is a lock for another school, then why waste money coming all the way from Memphis? Seems pointless unless he isn't sold on Memphis. I don't see this kid coming to UT but this is the recruit I've always wanted.
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This. If it is indeed on unofficial, that means its on his dime. Why would he come here on his dime if he was such a "lock" to Memphis?
 
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Gator H8R said:
This. If it is indeed on unofficial, that means its on his dime. Why would he come here on his dime if he was such a "lock" to Memphis?
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Because he's not a lock. Enough 2013 kids have already committed, if he was a lock he'd have already pledged to Memphis. There clearly is some doubt in his mine.

Good timing, I'm sure he's getting to see the brand new faculties across from Pratt.
 
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VFL10 said:
I still find it amusing that in three years Pastner has yet to beat a ranked opponent. That should give you an indication of how recruits are viewing memphis right now.
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"ranked opponent" is such an unimportant metric, I think. We beat Xavier last season, and they were preseason ranked top 15 and were a Sweet 16 team. They weren't ranked when we played them because all of their players got suspended a few weeks were for. They were at full strength when we played them, but not top 25 win. Meh.

Memphis is lined up to have a top 5 recruiting class this season, if things break as they should, so some recruits still find Memphis appealing.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
"ranked opponent" is such an unimportant metric, I think. We beat Xavier last season, and they were preseason ranked top 15 and were a Sweet 16 team. They weren't ranked when we played them because all of their players got suspended a few weeks were for. They were at full strength when we played them, but not top 25 win. Meh.

Memphis is lined up to have a top 5 recruiting class this season, if things break as they should, so some recruits still find Memphis appealing.
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I agree with this. Xavier was a nice win. I don't think there is a doubt that CJP can't land nice classes but yes..if he don't win this year, they might as well start looking for another coach but they already know this at Memphis. I think UM will always land a decent class because of how rich the talent is in that area but IMO, the floodgates are going to open for coaches like Martin and Anderson if Pastner doesn't produce for elite talent.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
you can bet its being used against him in recruiting though.
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There's negative recruiting going on everywhere, and I can come up with dozens of negatives for just about every coach. Pastner has landed some elite recruits so whatever they're saying isn't necessarily working.
 
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Shaun1985 said:
I agree with this. Xavier was a nice win. I don't think there is a doubt that CJP can't land nice classes but yes..if he don't win this year, they might as well start looking for another coach but they already know this at Memphis. I think UM will always land a decent class because of how rich the talent is in that area but IMO, the floodgates are going to open for coaches like Martin and Anderson if Pastner doesn't produce for elite talent.
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There's more than enough talent in Memphis to go around. CCM getting his doesn't mean CJP won't get his as well. Anderson couldn't recruit his way out of a shoebox, I'm not so worried about him.

The best way I can put it is that Pastner has struggled with "player management", and he's getting better at it every year. It compounds the problem by shoving so many Memphis recruits together and letting egos collide. I've discussed this with BTO before, Pastner is looking more and more outside the city of Memphis for his prized recruits.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
There's negative recruiting going on everywhere, and I can come up with dozens of negatives for just about every coach. Pastner has landed some elite recruits so whatever they're saying isn't necessarily working.
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You think those classe continue if he keeps losing to ranked teams, and either missing the tourney or getting knocked out round 1?

He took over for Cal, and had good relationships already built. Add in he has a starting 5 in his back yard every year, and he should be able to recruit.

You mentioned only 4 programs have more MCD's AA in the past 3 years...I'm guessing those 3 programs have faired much better than Pastner.

And obviously the negative recruitment is having an impact, we pulled stokes, and are primed to pull other Memphis kids. In past years menphis would've had any of those kids they wanted. And it's not that menphis doesn't want them, CJP has been hounding Nichols the last couple months.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You think those classe continue if he keeps losing to ranked teams, and either missing the tourney or getting knocked out round 1? He's been to the tourney 2 out of his 3 years as an HC. He'll lose his job before the classes stop coming, of that I'm confident.

He took over for Cal, and had good relationships already built. Add in he has a starting 5 in his back yard every year, and he should be able to recruit. I'm not sure what good relationships you're talking about. He's signed Barton, Shaq Goodwin and Geron Johnson, all out of the area players and all 5 stars or the JUCO equivalent.

You mentioned only 4 programs have more MCD's AA in the past 3 years...I'm guessing those 3 programs have faired much better than Pastner. Duke lost to a 15 seed last year, UNC didn't make the tournament 3 years ago, so they haven't been consistently dominant. They've also been coaching for decades longer than Pastner.

And obviously the negative recruitment is having an impact, we pulled stokes, and are primed to pull other Memphis kids. In past years menphis would've had any of those kids they wanted. I'm not getting in to Stokes here again, and I'll wait to see where the recruits go before I start attributing them to this school or that.
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bleedingTNorange said:
You think those classe continue if he keeps losing to ranked teams, and either missing the tourney or getting knocked out round 1?

He took over for Cal, and had good relationships already built. Add in he has a starting 5 in his back yard every year, and he should be able to recruit.

You mentioned only 4 programs have more MCD's AA in the past 3 years...I'm guessing those 3 programs have faired much better than Pastner.

And obviously the negative recruitment is having an impact, we pulled stokes, and are primed to pull other Memphis kids. In past years menphis would've had any of those kids they wanted. And it's not that menphis doesn't want them, CJP has been hounding Nichols the last couple months.
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I don't really want into this mess but I will say that "in the past years Memphis would've had any of those kids they wanted" should be reworded as "Calipari would've had any of those kids he wanted". It's not so much a Pastner vs Cuonzo thing as it is a Pastner compared to Calipari thing. Pastner really is doing a great job. Comparing just about anyone to the success Calipari routinely had is unfair, but that is the standard he is being held against.
 
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zansdad said:
I don't really want into this mess but I will say that "in the past years Memphis would've had any of those kids they wanted" should be reworded as "Calipari would've had any of those kids he wanted". It's not so much a Pastner vs Cuonzo thing as it is a Pastner compared to Calipari thing. Pastner really is doing a great job. Comparing just about anyone to the success Calipari routinely had is unfair, but that is the standard he is being held against.
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I agree with this. There was bound to be a drop off unless Zombie Adolph Rupp took over the reigns at Memphis. Calipari is a wizard, which is why he now makes 5 million per year and has an entire state of thralls at his beck and call. No one can duplicate that.

And even under Calipari, Thad Young, Elliot Williams and Leslie McDonald all left the area for school and all are or will be making millions in the NBA.
 
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Also, I made a mistake earlier. King was not on Memphis' campus for an unofficial yesterday. It was JW3. My bad.
 
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It's not like it's THAT far from Memphis to Knoxville Also, maybe the King family had been or are going somewhere East of Knoxville and CCM convinced them to stop and listen to his sales pitch. It is fully within the realm of possibility that this was a spur of the moment detour.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
I freaking hope they did. I don't want any eligibility questions floating around King.
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It was just an honest question. Why would any highly recruited kid/parent waste money on an unofficial visit especially when there's distanced involved and no ties to the area? I can understand if your desired school isn't recruiting you, but if a school is very interested then i doubt a recruit's family is funding the trip.
 
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Kusotate said:
It was just an honest question. Why would any highly recruited kid/parent waste money on an unofficial visit especially when there's distanced involved and no ties to the area? I can understand if your desired school isn't recruiting you, but if a school is very interested then i doubt a recruit's family is funding the trip.
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Now you've done it...
 
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zansdad said:
It's not like it's THAT far from Memphis to Knoxville Also, maybe the King family had been or are going somewhere East of Knoxville and CCM convinced them to stop and listen to his sales pitch. It is fully within the realm of possibility that this was a spur of the moment detour.
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It's possible.... I've driven from Norfolk to Memphis several times via I-40 so I'm familiar with the drive and distance.
 
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zansdad said:
It's not like it's THAT far from Memphis to Knoxville Also, maybe the King family had been or are going somewhere East of Knoxville and CCM convinced them to stop and listen to his sales pitch. It is fully within the realm of possibility that this was a spur of the moment detour.
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King family beach trip?
 
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