Nick Sabans 1st year at Bama

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pualsline said:
I hate that Saban has become the measuring stick to identify success. I hope that CBJ will reach a stature to set his own standard.

Their schedule was as follows

West Carolina - W
@Vanderbilt (5-7) - W
#16 Arkansas (8-5) - W
#22 Georgia (11-2)- L
Florida St. (7-6) - L
Houston (8-5) - W
@Ole Miss (3-9) - W
#20 Tennessee (10-4) - W
#3 LSU (12-2) - L
@Mississippi St. (8-5) - L
Louisiana Monroe (6-6) -L
@#25 Auburn (9-4) - L
Colorado (6-7) - W

Final record 7-6
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That schedule is no where as tough as what we had.
 
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2007 Bama's 6 losses combined are 36 points total. All losses were under 7 points. Quite literally, 1 play in each game separated that Bama team between 6-6 and 12-0.

2013 Vols have single game losses of 45, 35, 28 and 32 points.

There is nothing even remotely close between the 2.
 
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red_air69 said:
6-6 regular season. Oh, and Alabama had no where near the last 4 years tennessee has has as far as turnover.
Go Vols!
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This is a meaningless comparison that somehow many of you seem to think should impress a rational person.

Jones lost four games by more than 28 points this year. That's the first time that's happened in more than 50 years. His avg loss margin is 23 points. Saban did lose 6 regular season games his first year at Bama... not a single one was by more than 7 pts.

In the 4 years prior to Saban arriving, Bama went 4-9, 6-6, 10-2, and 6-7. That's 26-24. UT has gone 22-28. That's hardly a mammoth difference and especially if you throw out the "outlier" for Shula.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Oh wow a completely original thread! This comparison has never been made before!
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Kind of Ironic huh....

My thread had been posted on Volnation 100,000 times I get it...goes along with your useless reply of "wow this thread has never been made before". Thanks for the intelligent discussion.
 
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Insunseri said:
Sorry. It's just that sabans first year record has been cited ad infinitum on the site...to the point of being comical. For this reason when I saw the title to your thread I thought it was going to be funny
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another reason people cringe when others cite Saban's first year record is because it's meaningless. It has no implications for our program whatsoever
 
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DC Vol said:
2007 Bama's 6 losses combined are 36 points total. All losses were under 7 points. Quite literally, 1 play in each game separated that Bama team between 6-6 and 12-0.

2013 Vols have single game losses of 45, 35, 28 and 32 points.

There is nothing even remotely close between the 2.
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This is stuff I need to read. I can agree this sheds light. Sorry I had to post something that's repetitive. Its a discussion board...but everyone seems offended.

Appreciate the constructive reply.
 
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red_air69 said:
Kind of Ironic huh....

My thread had been posted on Volnation 100,000 times I get it...goes along with your useless reply of "wow this thread has never been made before". Thanks for the intelligent discussion.
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Considering you actually thought you were creating a great thread, I'm not sure you're a very good judge of what would be considered intelligent.

Also, you do realize this same Saban crap was used for Dooley, right? That's how tired and useless this argument is.
 
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DC Vol said:
2007 Bama's 6 losses combined are 36 points total. All losses were under 7 points. Quite literally, 1 play in each game separated that Bama team between 6-6 and 12-0.

2013 Vols have single game losses of 45, 35, 28 and 32 points.

There is nothing even remotely close between the 2.
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So, CBJ is not Saban? I is confused!
 
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sjt18 said:
This is a meaningless comparison that somehow many of you seem to think should impress a rational person.

Jones lost four games by more than 28 points this year. That's the first time that's happened in more than 50 years. His avg loss margin is 23 points. Saban did lose 6 regular season games his first year at Bama... not a single one was by more than 7 pts.

In the 4 years prior to Saban arriving, Bama went 4-9, 6-6, 10-2, and 6-7. That's 26-24. UT has gone 22-28. That's hardly a mammoth difference and especially if you throw out the "outlier" for Shula.
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Again...sheds light on the thought. Thanks. Still a fan of Butch. Hope he gets it turned around. He embraces Tennessee as if it was a destination job and he was an alumni.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Considering you actually thought you were creating a great thread, I'm not sure you're a very good judge of what would be considered intelligent.

Also, you do realize this same Saban crap was used for Dooley, right? That's how tired and useless this argument is.
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I don't post on volnation to create great threads. If its on my mind I come on here to discuss. Kind of the point. And its not an argument....a discussion.
 
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red_air69 said:
6-6 regular season. Oh, and Alabama had no where near the last 4 years tennessee has has as far as turnover. Yes it sucks to lose to Vandy.... but that same Vandy team went into the Swamp and beat Florida and beat UGA. In the 1990's and most of 2000's Tennessee, Florida, and UGA always decided the SEC east. Every Vol hates him but Franklin is one Hell of a coach. I can't believe what he has done and he will be gone next season and Vandy will go back to being Vandy.

By the way, I have a Driod for a phone and if I type in "Bama" it auto corrects me to "Obama". Just saying... my phone even knows.

Go Vols!
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Mike Dubose was 4-7 his first year at Alabama.
 
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red_air69 said:
I don't post on volnation to create great threads. If its on my mind I come on here to discuss. Kind of the point. And its not an argument....a discussion.
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If you didn't know before, now you do, 75% of the threads created here, the poster gets completely bashed and flamed. That's VN love.
 
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SALAMANDER DRAKE said:
If you didn't know before, now you do, 75% of the threads created here, the poster gets completely bashed and flamed. That's VN love.
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Yea...Ive been on here since 2002. Its just ironic most replies are just as repetitive as the topic. I like a good discussion.... won't find much on VN but I always hold out hope!
 
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Wanna make that comparison? Compare resumes before their first seasons at Bama and UT. That earns a unique kind of credibility.
 
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Charlie Weis was 9-3 his first year at Notre Dame. Larry Coker was undefeated his 1st year at Miamo. OP's attempted point goes both ways. We could go all day with this...
 
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pualsline said:
I hate that Saban has become the measuring stick to identify success. I hope that CBJ will reach a stature to set his own standard.

Their schedule was as follows

West Carolina - W
@Vanderbilt (5-7) - W
#16 Arkansas (8-5) - W
#22 Georgia (11-2)- L
Florida St. (7-6) - L
Houston (8-5) - W
@Ole Miss (3-9) - W
#20 Tennessee (10-4) - W
#3 LSU (12-2) - L
@Mississippi St. (8-5) - L
Louisiana Monroe (6-6) -L
@#25 Auburn (9-4) - L
Colorado (6-7) - W

Final record 7-6
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But but but but but but but.....but Butch Jones beat a ranked team for the first time in the history of the universe. I bet Saban didn't beat a ranked team his first year because he su........uh hold on a minute. What was that? He beat two? Oh. Well there's that. Well Butch is so good he doesn't need 13 games his first season. Butch can coach his entire first season in 12 games because he gets it, so there.
 
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I just wonder if all that started these first year comparisons between Saban and Jones will do the same next year , and the next and ...
 
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People get pissy when you start a topic that has been rehashed before but it is ok for them to post the same smart a$$ comment in every thread. Pot meet kettle. Hipocrite
 
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I just think that these types of observations are moot. There are great coaches who get rough starts, and there are horrible coaches who start great (I noted couple in this thread). OP makes a promising point that we have seen many times. That's okay. The trouble is that we could go back and forth all night about those examples. It means nothing really and has no bearing on Butch Jones. His point I think is to not make any judgment yet on whether or not CBJ is the guy. I agree with that. I think a coach needs 3-4 years before we can really assess him. There are exceptions of course, such as cases where you just see disasters (like Dooley and UK/ Darick, etc) that reveal that your coach just isn't the answer. I have seen things that concern me about Butch, but I see more things that give me hope. In game coaching can be fixed, character issues, recruiting, etc, tends to be more fatal. His coaching can be adjusted with staff changes and just plain old work and study, so if he is as determined as he seems to be, I tend to think he will be fine. I won't even come close to comparing to Saban though, because Saban earned the right to go 6-6 at Bama in year 1 and still have benefit of the doubt. He had turned 2 major programs around and won a ring. Butch doesn't have that resume, so people are free to criticize if they choose. He isn't above that. I think that it will take 3-4 years before I would make a judgement on him, though.
 
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SGMVols said:
Dude...everyone knew Saban was going to turn it around in Tuscaloosa. Did you forget he already had a national championship before he even got there?

All Jones has to hang his hat on are 2 MAC titles (with Brian Kelly's players) and 2 fake Big East "championships" (also with Brian Kelly's players). His only saving grace is that he's following the worst hire in SEC history, so his resume looks like Bear Bryant in comparison.
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So because he won a NC in the past makes going 6-6 and losing to Lousiana-Monroe ok? Seems like more of a reason to expect more.

Lame. Shameful. Sad.

Anytime I start to question or doubt this staff I come on Volnation and see some of the most idiotic comments ever made and it only strengthens my suppport for Butch Jones. There have definately been some things that make me shake my head wondering wtf is going on but ive never went into full tard mode like some people on this site. Trying to downplay his past accomplishments is just ridiculous. At each of his previous stops the 3rd year was his best, thats not exactly using Kellys players. Im done defending what doesnt need to be defended.
 
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