Nirvana nominated for HoF

[BenGrimm]

Hate Nirvana, but they were game changers. But so was Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and RHCP for the movement in Seattle.

I wouldn't put RHCP in that movement. They were around for years before the grunge scene cropped up. Plus they we're from LA, not Seattle. They also were Funk, not grunge.

 

[mrorange211]

I wouldn't put RHCP in that movement. They were around for years before the grunge scene cropped up. Plus they we're from LA, not Seattle. They also were Funk, not grunge.

Fair enough. but they did help popularize the scene regardless of semantics.

I saw a concert poster the other day: at some point, RHCP, Nirvana, and Pearl Jam played shows together. Can you imagine?

 

[Pulscifer]

I'd like Dave Grohl to give the acceptance speech.

Furthermore, I'd like Courtney Love to admit to murder.

I'd love to see Dave and Kris and Frances (Kurt's daughter) accept the induction and make speeches. Probably won't happen though.

 

[BenGrimm]

Fair enough. but they did help popularize the scene regardless of semantics.

I saw a concert poster the other day: at some point, RHCP, Nirvana, and Pearl Jam played shows together. Can you imagine?

They're breakout album, BSSM, did come out around the same time as Nevermind and the explosion of the grunge scene, so I can see how one might lump them in. I was in middle school at the time and BSSM shirts were a dime a dozen in the halls.

You could probably throw Primus in that group as well but they were anything but grunge. In general most of the people who liked Nirvana, Pearl Jam, and RHCP, would have liked them too.

 

[mrorange211]

They're breakout album, BSSM, did come out around the same time as Nevermind and the explosion of the grunge scene, so I can see how one might lump them in. I was in middle school at the time and BSSM shirts were a dime a dozen in the halls.

You could probably throw Primus in that group as well but they were anything but grunge. In general most of the people who liked Nirvana, Pearl Jam, and RHCP, would have liked them too.

For sure.

Here is the tour I was talking about: BILLBOARD 25 BEST ROCK POSTERS OF ALL TIME

 

[bamawriter]

They should automatically be added. No nomination, no voting.

Nirvana is second only to the Beetles, IMO, as far as the amount of influence and impact they had on changing the face of rock n roll.

They should be a first ballot induction, but your second paragraph is severely over the top.

 

[bamacheats]

Ah, the classics....

I wanna sexxxxxxxxx you up! :lol:

 

[SWIL]

They should be a first ballot induction, but your second paragraph is severely over the top.

I don't think so. After the Beatles, rock changed forever; they pretty much influenced all bands who followed. You cannot have your Who and Pink Floyd without the Beatles.


30 years later, Nirvana did the same thing; it was a paradigm shift in rock and Nirvana was in the right place at the right time.

 

[SWIL]

I'm not saying nirvana were the most talented or the better songwriters; they were pretty sloppy to be honest.


But you cannot argue that any other band other than the Beatles (maybe Led Zeppelin) had a larger influence on rock than Nirvana!

 

[vader]

Color Me Bad was better.

A REAL fan would have spelled the name of the band correctly. It was the second d that gave them their street cred. That and their signature colored suits.

 

[MG1968]

this just proves that a tragic death can elevate a band to heights it never deserved

 

[bamacheats]

A REAL fan would have spelled the name of the band correctly. It was the second d that gave them their street cred. That and their signature colored suits.

Busted. I'll admit it. I was just pretending. I wanted to sound tough.

 

[SWIL]

this just proves that a tragic death can elevate a band to heights it never deserved

tragic deaths in rock are about as common as political sex scandals... :hi:

 

[vader]

Busted. I'll admit it. I was just frontin'. I wanted to sound tough.

fyp

 

[SWIL]

Actually, we may not know who Nirvana is today were it not for a tragic death:

Mother Love Bone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These guys *should* have been the band that changed everything. You know them now as Pearl Jam.

 

[bamawriter]

I don't think so. After the Beatles, rock changed forever; they pretty much influenced all bands who followed. You cannot have your Who and Pink Floyd without the Beatles.


30 years later, Nirvana did the same thing; it was a paradigm shift in rock and Nirvana was in the right place at the right time.

I'm not saying nirvana were the most talented or the better songwriters; they were pretty sloppy to be honest.


But you cannot argue that any other band other than the Beatles (maybe Led Zeppelin) had a larger influence on rock than Nirvana!

The Velvet Underground, The Stooges, The Ramones and Black Sabbath had a more significant influence than Nirvana. Heck, Nirvana themselves sprung from the Velvets and the Stooges.

 

[SWIL]

The Velvet Underground, The Stooges, The Ramones and Black Sabbath had a more significant influence than Nirvana. Heck, Nirvana themselves sprung from the Velvets and the Stooges.

If the Velvets and the Stooges were more influential than Nirvana (as you are suggesting), why didn't the whole rock world change overnight upon their formation?

Both were on the fringe and ahead of their time (as were the Ramones and Sabbath)- all are highly influential but none even got close to Nirvana's impact.

 

[bamawriter]

If the Velvets and the Stooges were more influential than Nirvana (as you are suggesting), why didn't the whole rock world change overnight upon their formation?

Both were on the fringe and ahead of their time (as were the Ramones and Sabbath)- all are highly influential but none even got close to Nirvana's impact.

You are confusing having a more sudden impact with having a more significant impact. To that end, Quiet Riot was extremely influential, since their success immediately spawned a rush on signing pseudo-glam metal bands.

Influence isn't simply measured in sales figures. I point to the Velvets, Stooges, etc because they created sounds that inspired countless acts, across many genres.

 

[Weezer]

If the Velvets and the Stooges were more influential than Nirvana (as you are suggesting), why didn't the whole rock world change overnight upon their formation?

Both were on the fringe and ahead of their time (as were the Ramones and Sabbath)- all are highly influential but none even got close to Nirvana's impact.

I'm a Nirvana fan, but there have been so many more influential bands than Nirvana that arguing the point is laughable. I personally don't remember them "changing the rock world over night". They were a great band, but the bands of today draw more from older sounds imo. The Beatles, the Rolling Stones, The Doors, Led Zepplin... I hear more of their influence than I do Nirvana's.

 

[GahLee]

If the Velvets and the Stooges were more influential than Nirvana (as you are suggesting), why didn't the whole rock world change overnight upon their formation?

Both were on the fringe and ahead of their time (as were the Ramones and Sabbath)- all are highly influential but none even got close to Nirvana's impact.

Grunge music was going to happen whether or not Nirvana exploded onto the scene, there was a multitude of extremely talented bands that were going to usher in a new sound. Add in the fact that hair metal had run its course and was dying out even before the shift in musical stylings.

If you think Nirvana has had a greater influence than Led Zepplin or The Rolling Stones or Elvis Presley or Michael Jackson then you haven't paid much attention.

If Kurt Cobain doesn't blow his brains out, this isn't even a conversation.

 

[vols 30]

A REAL fan would have spelled the name of the band correctly. It was the second d that gave them their street cred. That and their signature colored suits.

Didn't know Kenny G was in CMB.

 

[Daloth]

saying nirvana is as infulential as:

The Who
The Doors
Pink Floyd
Queen
The Eagles
Black Sabbath
Bad Company

is laughable. And that's just the seventies/early eighties.

 

[GahLee]

saying nirvana is as infulential as:

The Who
The Doors
Pink Floyd
Queen
The Eagles
Black Sabbath
Bad Company

is laughable. And that's just the seventies/early eighties.

Or Bob Dylan or Johnny Cash or The Allman Brothers.

 

[SWIL]

saying nirvana is as infulential as:

The Who
The Doors
Pink Floyd
Queen
The Eagles
Black Sabbath
Bad Company

is laughable. And that's just the seventies/early eighties.

Their pending induction into the hof pretty much says otherwise.


Their impact changed rock the same way the Beatles did 30 years eariler.

 

[GahLee]

True. . . But how many would have heard it and been influenced by it if Nirvana hadn't found mainstream success?

I would have to say the same amount had Nirvana never happened. I think several bands from that place and time would have made an everlasting impact either way.