No Longer Women's BB teams built on Culture

[37620VOL]

Sadly, like it or not NIL is here to stay. If you can’t pony up nice NIL packages you are going to be at the end of the recruiting line. Since NIL one of the biggest recruiting questions from athletes is what type of NIL packages can I get. It doesn’t matter a great deal what their family financial background is. The recruiter isn’t suppose to discuss such matters but many of these high school recruits already know which schools can put them in position to receive the max NIL deals. If the Lady Vols can’t join the party, at a particular level, recruiting is always going to be an issue.

I would agree and also add that NIL is more important to a WBB player than a MBB player. Any men's player who gets drafted and sticks with a team makes life-changing money. Only the top level ~20% of WNBA players that stick with a team make life-changing money. Even the stars like Griner play overseas to supplement. WBB players can't afford to set aside four years of earning potential that in many cases will be more $ per year than their rookie contracts in the W. Get the money girls, get that money! Save it, and make good decisions.

 

[Golfteacher]

I would agree and also add that NIL is more important to a WBB player than a MBB player. Any men's player who gets drafted and sticks with a team makes life-changing money. Only the top level ~20% of WNBA players that stick with a team make life-changing money. Even the stars like Griner play overseas to supplement. WBB players can't afford to set aside four years of earning potential that in many cases will be more $ per year than their rookie contracts in the W. Get the money girls, get that money! Save it, and make good decisions.

NIL is the biggest reason the WNBA will not see Clark, Beckers, Brink, Reese, and possibly a few others in the 24 draft. Angel Reese made in excess of 2 million last year and not doing to shabby this year.

 

[Hbg]

I have evidently you haven't because they have played 21 games and yes they have played really hard in some of the games. Not all but to say you have never seen it tells me you haven't watched many.

You’re dead wrong, that team doesn’t know what playing hard is. You may have seen three out of five playing hard at some point but I’ve never seen all 5 players on the floor truly play hard at the same time.

 

[Volfan2012]

You’re dead wrong, that team doesn’t know what playing hard is. You may have seen three out of five playing hard at some point but I’ve never seen all 5 players on the floor truly play hard at the same time.

I just saw five or and more players play really hard and well to beat Missouri. It would've been a 20 plus point win if we hadn't cleared the bench and had a talent deficit down the last five minutes of the game. So no I think your wrong and since they have won 14 games this season you have absolutely no evidence to back up that claim. They have also beaten a ranked team this season that takes tough play. So tell someone else your story telling me is barking up the wrong tree.

 

[Majors]

I just saw five or and more players play really hard and well to beat Missouri. It would've been a 20 plus point win if we hadn't cleared the bench and had a talent deficit down the last five minutes of the game. So no I think your wrong and since they have won 14 games this season you have absolutely no evidence to back up that claim. They have also beaten a ranked team this season that takes tough play. So tell someone else your story telling me is barking up the wrong tree.

How so, Edie and Strickland went in around the 2 min mark left in the game. In the 3rd, the game was cut to 3 with the main players in.

 

[Volfan2012]

How so, Edie and Strickland went in around the 2 min mark left in the game. In the 3rd, the game was cut to 3 with the main players in.

Tamari, Rickea, Jewell, and Sarah had went to the bench before the last five minutes. We lost seven points off the lead in the last half of the fourth with none of them in there.

 

[37620VOL]

How so, Edie and Strickland went in around the 2 min mark left in the game. In the 3rd, the game was cut to 3 with the main players in.

Not picking a side here but we were up 15 when the subs came in.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Tamari, Rickea, Jewell, and Sarah had went to the bench before the last five minutes. We lost seven points off the lead in the last half of the fourth with none of them in there.

Most teams like to finish the game as they would start the next one,,,no matter who is on the floor

 

[Volfan2012]

Most teams like to finish the game as they would start the next one,,,no matter who is on the floor

I'm sure they would, but not happening very often without some of the main players on the floor unless your SC or couple other teams in the country.

 

[Majors]

Not picking a side here but we were up 15 when the subs came in.
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It was a knock to the players coming in at 2 mins. No mention of the big lead diminished in the 3rd by the starters off the bench rotation. Up 12 at halftime, lead cut to 3 with 3 mins left and ran off 11 to close the 3rd. Was there a talent deficient?

 

[Volfan2012]

Not picking a side here but we were up 15 when the subs came in.
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So Missouri 5 to 1 in last minute 39 guess we couldn't have stood five minutes would've lost the game.

 

[37620VOL]

It was a knock to the players coming in at 2 mins. No mention of the big lead diminished in the 3rd by the starters off the bench rotation. Up 12 at halftime, lead cut to 3 with 3 mins left and ran off 11 to close the 3rd. Was there a talent deficient?

No way of telling w/o breaking down every play. Was Jill in for much of this stretch in the 3rd? In 10 minutes, she somehow managed a -20 +/-.

 

[37620VOL]

So Missouri 5 to 1 in last minute 39 guess we couldn't have stood five minutes would've lost the game.

Not sure we can extrapolate that. I'll just say those 2 minutes were not high-quality basketball. Strickland alone gives up 2 fouls and a 3 point play in less than 2 minutes.

 

[Volfan2012]

No way of telling w/o breaking down every play. Was Jill in for much of this stretch in the 3rd? In 10 minutes, she somehow managed a -20 +/-.

It doesn't matter who was in as the narrative is that the team doesn't play hard ever in any of the 21 games played this season. So sure anyone can point out another team making a run in the third which was followed by an 11 to 0 run by Tennessee. Which I am sure no one was playing hard or cared in eithe rinstance.

 

[Volfan2012]

Not sure we can extrapolate that. I'll just say those 2 minutes were not high-quality basketball. Strickland alone gives up 2 fouls and a 3 point play in less than 2 minutes.

No unless they played like those minutes with the same lineup and the same results. No way to say it would've gone that way. Group may have scored much better with more minutes or much worse. All we have to go on is those couple minutes.

 

[37620VOL]

It doesn't matter who was in as the narrative is that the team doesn't play hard ever in any of the 21 games played this season. So sure anyone can point out another team making a run in the third which was followed by an 11 to 0 run by Tennessee. Which I am sure no one was playing hard or cared in eithe rinstance.

Generally, I think they do play hard. Some games earlier in the year I did see some loafing. Some of our players will pout when the breaks are going against them due to I'm guessing a lack of confidence.

I rarely see us playing with *sustained* elite effort. The one time that stands out to me this year was the first half of ND. If we could somehow bottle that level of intensity, we have the talent to get to the SEC finals and the NCAA FF.

I think we are missing someone like Horston, who lacked a bit in refined skills, but was always at 100% effort in all 3 phases.

 

[Volfan2012]

Generally, I think they do play hard. Some games earlier in the year I did see some loafing. Some of our players will pout when the breaks are going against them due to I'm guessing a lack of confidence.

I rarely see playing with sustained elite effort. The one time that stands out to me this year was the first half of ND. If we could somehow bottle that level of intensity, we have the talent to get to the SEC finals and the NCAA FF.

I think we are missing someone like Horston, who lacked a bit in refined skills, but was always at 100% effort in all 3 phases.

We all did mainly at Texas A&M you could say that happened. A few other weak games. Point being made is they have never played hard all season not for even one minute. That is the narrative that I won't accept. All teams have lapses. Barnes team just sleep walked a game a week ago and most of the second half last night. Truly hard to find a team that plays hard for forty minutes or soft for forty. Always some of both.

 

[Hbg]

I just saw five or and more players play really hard and well to beat Missouri. It would've been a 20 plus point win if we hadn't cleared the bench and had a talent deficit down the last five minutes of the game. So no I think your wrong and since they have won 14 games this season you have absolutely no evidence to back up that claim. They have also beaten a ranked team this season that takes tough play. So tell someone else your story telling me is barking up the wrong tree.

Evidence? They are a bubble team, how’s that.

 

[Volfan2012]

Evidence? They are a bubble team, how’s that.

That is not evidence they could play hard every game and still be a bubble team. They could play every game as hard as they possibly could and still be a bubble team. If you face teams better than you are then you lose no matter how hard you play or how good your coach is. That is the facts.

 

[Hbg]

That is not evidence they could play hard every game and still be a bubble team. They could play every game as hard as they possibly could and still be a bubble team. If you face teams better than you are then you lose no matter how hard you play or how good your coach is. That is the facts.

Nope, that’s your opinion

 

[Volfan2012]

Nope, that’s your opinion

Yes it is cause no way a team could play 21 games and not play hard some of the time. It is totally impossible.

 

[Majors]

That is not evidence they could play hard every game and still be a bubble team. They could play every game as hard as they possibly could and still be a bubble team. If you face teams better than you are then you lose no matter how hard you play or how good your coach is. That is the facts.

Not true. Upsets happen all the time by “less talented” teams in sports. Why play the game then if the more talented team won no matter what.

 

[Volfan2012]

Not true. Upsets happen all the time by “less talented” teams in sports. Why play the game then if the more talented team won no matter what.

Are you and him the same person seems like it. Not anything near what I was saying to him or you. Let me say it another way sure occasionally a team will upset a better team, but in ten times played the better team will win 8 or even 9 of them. So yes looks like Tennessee played hard enough in the Oklahoma game to upset them. Since they are in first place in the Big 12 glad to see that come about. The point you or him don't seem to get and want to argue I guess forever is that teams can play hard and still lose and second point no way you can play 21 games and not play hard some of the time.

 

[Majors]

Are you and him the same person seems like it. Not anything near what I was saying to him or you. Let me say it another way sure occasionally a team will upset a better team, but in ten times played the better team will win 8 or even 9 of them. So yes looks like Tennessee played hard enough in the Oklahoma game to upset them. Since they are in first place in the Big 12 glad to see that come about. The point you or him don't seem to get and want to argue I guess forever is that teams can play hard and still lose and second point no way you can play 21 games and not play hard some of the time.

Only room for one of me in my head. In your logic the NCAA tournament disagrees. Might need to adjust the 80-90%. Weekly polls adjusted based off upsets too.

 

[Volfan2012]

Only room for one of me in my head. In your logic the NCAA tournament disagrees. Might need to adjust the 80-90%

Really was not even the argument or discussion. It was about teams playing hard and he says with Tennessee that happens none of the time. I really didn't ask his opinion he just posted to me and so no I don't believe that is true or could ever be true. Some of the teams in the NCAA are so close an upset happens when it was a narrow win for either one. I was talking more about something like Sc vs Ole Miss how many will Ole Miss win out of ten even if the play hard as they can.