no more internet freedom.

#78
#78
lumberjack4 said:
Throttling is a no-win.
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but what I'm saying is if they set their baseline "free" service at a certain level (and a low one) then it's not technically throttling anything. Then they force companies to pay if they want faster/priority and we're back in a mess

joevol320 said:
why does the net need to regulated? what problems are we having that need regulation?
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evidently it's way too easy for just anybody to access

and are you ever going to answer how this is similar to the grab by Chavez?
 
#79
#79
lumberjack4 said:
Throttling is a no-win.
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In order to equalize the gap, couldn't L3 just downgrade the content to Comcast by refusing to stream higher resolution video to Comcast subscribers?

That would make Comcast subscribers angry, which would result in huge complaints and possibly switching service to another ISP.

I would think L3 would be in a position of power in this case. Is that at all accurate?
 
#80
#80
heck they could probably just cut off Netflix to Comcast customers if they wanted but that might not make Netflix very happy.
 
#81
#81
No, that would make Netflix extremely angry, and something they wouldn't do. Especially since that would make Comcast happy, if they are trying to promote their streaming service.
 
#82
#82
utvolpj said:
but what I'm saying is if they set their baseline "free" service at a certain level (and a low one) then it's not technically throttling anything. Then they force companies to pay if they want faster/priority and we're back in a mess



evidently it's way too easy for just anybody to access

and are you ever going to answer how this is similar to the grab by Chavez?
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if the government deems a website as offensive they would be able to shut it that website down. if you were researching topics that oblabla may not like, they could block your access.

also, if you have a website that supported a certain point of view, you would have to allow the opposite point of view to be advertised on your website.
 
#83
#83
joevol320 said:
if the government deems a website as offensive they would be able to shut it that website down. if you were researching topics that oblabla may not like, they could block your access.

also, if you have a website that supported a certain point of view, you would have to allow the opposite point of view to be advertised on your website.
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That is no where in this regulation.
 
#84
#84
joevol320 said:
if the government deems a website as offensive they would be able to shut it that website down. if you were researching topics that oblabla may not like, they could block your access.

also, if you have a website that supported a certain point of view, you would have to allow the opposite point of view to be advertised on your website.
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To the first statement: How?

To the second statement: How?
 
#87
#87
utvolpj said:
where the heck are you getting this info?
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It is a doomsday prediction. He is saying that at some point, one day, in the future, maybe the not so distant future, that some piece of legislation will, one day, possibly, be used to control the internet.

The sky(pe) is falling.
 
#88
#88
fl0at said:
It is a doomsday prediction. He is saying that at some point, one day, in the future, maybe the not so distant future, that some piece of legislation will, one day, possibly, be used to control the internet.

The sky(pe) is falling.
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I suddenly feel the need to stock up on seeds and gold...
 
#90
#90
utvolpj said:
where the heck are you getting this info?
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when the government starts controlling things, it could 'encourage' telecomm companies to block access or shut sites down they may not like. they've already done it with music sites. I understand there are copyright issues with some of these, but when the government gets control they never stop.
 
#91
#91
The gov' wants to get CONTROL of the Net. It is all abt the gov' controlling your life. There are FREE aspects abt the Net and this drives the Dem-Libs crazy.

Control your life
More taxes
You are too dumb to take care of your self.
 
#92
#92
utvolpj said:
I suddenly feel the need to stock up on seeds and gold...
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It is a convincing argument. Too bad the government will control your rain through its weather machines, and your seeds won't be able to grow.
 
#93
#93
joevol320 said:
when the government starts controlling things, it could 'encourage' telecomm companies to block access or shut sites down they may not like. they've already done it with music sites. I understand there are copyright issues with some of these, but when the government gets control they never stop.
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even if that does come up sometime in the distant future it won't have anything to do with this discussion. You seem to be having a real hard time separating the 2
 
#94
#94
fl0at said:
It is a convincing argument. Too bad the government will control your rain through its weather machines, and your seeds won't be able to grow.
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don't forget the damn Chinese :banghead2:
 
#97
#97
utvolpj said:
but what I'm saying is if they set their baseline "free" service at a certain level (and a low one) then it's not technically throttling anything. Then they force companies to pay if they want faster/priority and we're back in a mess
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That would be highly unlikely. What would be more likely to occur would be for an ISP to leave their existing infrastructure as-is and focus all their time and money on the prioritized channel. But the existing system would not be slowed down. This is a move to be wary about, but at the same time that kind of move would make an ISP look even worse at a time when there is no love for ISPs.

fl0at said:
In order to equalize the gap, couldn't L3 just downgrade the content to Comcast by refusing to stream higher resolution video to Comcast subscribers?

That would make Comcast subscribers angry, which would result in huge complaints and possibly switching service to another ISP.

I would think L3 would be in a position of power in this case. Is that at all accurate?
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Maybe, but that would probably violate the contract L3 signed with Netflix. It might work if it could be done, if only because most people think that their ISP is the internet. The overwhelming majority of people did not know of L3's existence until this situation.

Ultimately the internet is still suffering growing pains from streaming video brought about by the likes of Netflix. We had similar problems, albeit on a smaller scale, when graphics came to the net, then streaming audio, and short video like youtube.

I don't want to come across as Champion of the ISP, but they aren't the sole force of evil.
 
#98
#98
Arclight said:
The gov' wants to get CONTROL of the Net. It is all abt the gov' controlling your life. There are FREE aspects abt the Net and this drives the Dem-Libs crazy.

Control your life
More taxes
You are too dumb to take care of your self.
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and how does this affect the free aspects of the net?
 
#100
#100
lumberjack4 said:
Take off the tin foil hat.
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probably been welded on
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