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#177
n_huffhines said:
Comparing voluntary labor to slavery is insulting to people that suffer slavery. Take an economics course or something
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I have probably taken more economic courses than you have even thought about. Voluntary labor does not exist when you are boarded on a train at gun point to work in a Chinese factory. But I already sense that social justice may not be your strong suit.
 
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Boca Vol said:
It's already been mentioned in article. He had an altercation with a black person in the 50's...ore something like that.
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Also canceled sporting events rather than compete against black people, but yeah just "an altercation"
 
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onevol74 said:
I have probably taken more economic courses than you have even thought about. Voluntary labor does not exist when you are boarded on a train at gun point to work in a Chinese factory. But I already sense that social justice may not be your strong suit.
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Do you have a link to nike workers being forced to work at gunpoint? I'm open to changing my mind
 
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n_huffhines said:
Was he a racist?
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Not as far as I know but there have been other people that have suddenly been labeled as racist that weren’t previously to my knowledge. Apparently Neyland was mentioned in this same article that spawned this thread as well. How can you prove that someone who is dead was a racist? I assume you’ll ask if they owned slaves. At this point in time how do we know for sure someone even owned slaves as that hasn’t happened for quite some time?
 
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onevol74 said:
How are these facility names important when the kids complaining about slavery put on uniforms made by Nike who utilizes slave labor in China to make the uniforms. Same for Apple. That is about hypocritical as it gets.
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Because those people wearing Nike and complaining don’t care about how the sausage gets made as long as it tastes good, or in this case looks good and pays well.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
You are I are in agreement that BLM focuses on a particular issue within the so-called black community, and that's their right. Suggesting they focus on something else is akin to asking a cardiologist why he doesn't also treat and cure prostate cancer.

You and I are also in agreement that not all police encounters resulting in a loss of life are the same. The deaths of Eric Garner, George Lloyd, Breonna Taylor and Botham Jean are on a different plane than Michael Brown in my opinion. That said, if you ask 100 black men if they fear being killed by another black man versus mistreatment by law enforcement, I'd wager the majority would say the latter. The link you posted provides good context.

And for the record, I don't differentiate good cops from bad cops based on their race, despite what you think the media wants me to believe. Crooked cops come in all shapes, sizes, races and genders.
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To continue your analogy, I think BLM is akin to your general practitioner or family doctor (the name they've given themselves is Black Lives Matter, not Stop Policy Brutality Against Black People) waving his hand over a clogged artery and instead drawing a lot of attention to, I don't know, a sore throat. If instead of "Black Lives Matter" the name of the group was "Stop Police Brutality against Black People," I wouldn't really have a quarrel with them. Just like you don't go after a breast cancer charity for not raising money for prostate cancer.

They are both problems that need to be addressed, and can be addressed at the same time, but if I came across a doctor who repeatedly ignored or downplayed a patient's clogged artery to focus on a sore throat, especially if it seemed like they had an ulterior motive for doing so (the doctor also sells a special "elixir" that supposedly cures a sore throat), I'd find that interesting to say the least.

Of course it is their right to focus on a particular form of violence against black people, but it's also my right to point out what I think is the cherry picking and the focus on anecdotes/unique events in order to promote a political narrative. The name of the organization itself is a very clever marketing and rhetorical trick...Black Lives Matter. It's both a motto/slogan and the name of an organization. If you critique the organization, then it sounds like you're a racist - I mean, only a neo-Nazi or Klan member can be against something called "Black Lives Matter," right?
 
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05_never_again said:
I meant that purely on a statistical basis. If you live outside the areas of cities where this kind of stuff is occurring, regardless of your race, your chances of having an act of violence like that happen to you are basically zero. However, unfortunately the most representative, and far more frequent, type of violence that affects the "black community" (I don't like that term, but don't know what else to say) generally is the kind of thing that goes on in Chicago and other places. The reason you don't hear about it outside of Chicago local news and conservative websites (who are trying to run a counter-narrative) is because those stories can't be used to advance the political narrative that groups like BLM and their allies in the media want to advance.

Let's be real - if they were 100% honest, they'd admit that what they really care about is a particular type of violence that happens to black people - that of white cops killing black people - and regardless of what the facts of each specific case are, it's always a clear case of not just police racism but the racism of white people generally. Naturally, there are some instances where they have a legitimate beef (like George Floyd) and other instances where it's far more questionable (like Michael Brown).

My point is that if media coverage of these events was your only indication, you'd be led to believe that any time the police kill someone, it's always a white cop killing a black person and it's always 100% unjustifiable. I totally buy that black people (and minorities generally) are harassed by the police more, but I'm not aware of any statistics kept on that. I also know that the "black people are way more likely to be killed by police that white people" narrative is a little more complicated than that.

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I agree that it’s sickening how the media, extremists, and politicians use something horrible like what happened to Floyd to further their agenda. Almost the exact same thing happened in Texas to Tony Timpa and it almost got buried but thankfully some people wouldn’t let it go. Hell, Tony Timpa is even the guy that called the cops! He called 911 and then ended up being killed by the cops that responded. Literally, nothing had come of it. At first the cops got a misdemeanor but even that was dismissed. For those that have never heard of Tony Timpa, read this article. It’s absolutely disgusting and is one of many examples that show we have an overall police issue to address, not just a white police against black people issue. Don’t get me wrong, most officers are good, hard working people who lay their lives on the line to protect us. I respect and appreciate that. The problem is that the system protects those that aren’t good people as well. This is bigger than a race issue among officers.

'You're gonna kill me!': Dallas police body cam footage reveals the final minutes of Tony Timpa's life
 
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#188
hUTch2002 said:
I agree that it’s sickening how the media, extremists, and politicians use something horrible like what happened to Floyd to further their agenda. Almost the exact same thing happened in Texas to Tony Timpa and it almost got buried but thankfully some people wouldn’t let it go. Hell, Tony Timpa is even the guy that called the cops! He called 911 and then ended up being killed by the cops that responded. Literally, nothing had come of it. At first the cops got a misdemeanor but even that was dismissed. For those that have never heard of Tony Timpa, read this article. It’s absolutely disgusting and is one of many examples that show we have an overall police issue to address, not just a white police against black people issue. Don’t get me wrong, most officers are good, hard working people who lay their lives on the line to protect us. I respect and appreciate that. The problem is that the system protects those that aren’t good people as well. This is bigger than a race issue among officers.

'You're gonna kill me!': Dallas police body cam footage reveals the final minutes of Tony Timpa's life
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Both Black Lives Matter and Blue Lives Matter (or All Lives Matter) folks have biases that cloud their thinking about the issue.

BLM prefers to think of these types of incidents as only happening to black people, and 100% of the time when a white cop kills a black person it must be a totally unjustified killing caused by racism on the part of the white cop. They also use events like that to draw more radical, sweeping conclusions about race and the country in general, namely that the United States is a deeply systemically racist, hateful, and irredeemable country, unique among other nations in that regard, and needs to be turned upside down in a variety of areas. If you disagree with the sweeping conclusions they draw about other issues, then they label you a racist. After all, the organization is called "Black Lives Matter" - only a racist would be against an organization that is named that, right?

Blue Lives Matter prefers to think of these incidents as always being justified, or having zero racial component to them - they are way too hesitant to criticize police or bring attention to the various "internal affairs" divisions or police unions that, IMO, do all sorts of highly questionable things. They also are really hesitant to talk about the really high likelihood that minorities are harassed by police more (the stats show they actually aren't shot and killed by police more, given they are involved to a much greater degree in the numbers of violent crimes) - but I think it's pretty obvious they are harassed more and get asked questions that white people don't.

Neither side has anywhere close to a monopoly on the truth. As the cliche goes the truth is usually somewhere in the middle - perhaps not dead center, but somewhere in the middle. The truth is always more nuanced, but any sort of nuance doesn't play well in today's hot take culture.
 
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