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LadyVols_WBK said:
Chennedy Carter was the real deal and 70+ year old Gary Blair kept her in check at A&M
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It's funny how he had better team play when she left though... not knocking chennedy as she won them a lot of games but that next team of team players won them a title. Chennedy did what she needed/was asked to do her team.
 
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StorrsCentral said:
UConn non- conference schedule released today

11/14 Arkansas
11/20-22 Battle for Atlantis
Minnesota
Syracuse/USF
South Carolina/Oregon (probably)
12/5 Notre Dame
12/9 At Georgia Tech
12/11 UCLA- Never Forget Tribute Classic
12/19 Louisville- HOF game
1/17 At Oregon
1/27 At South Carolina
2/6 Tennessee
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PG1 said:
That’s got to be the toughest non con in the country.
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Hmmm. Interesting:

Based on final NET rankings last season (top 35):
CT:
#5 (South Carolina)
#6 (Louisville)
#8 (UCLA)
#10 (Oregon)
#16 (Tennessee)
#24 (Arkansas)
#30 (South Florida) *
#31 (Georgia Tech)

USC:
#1 (Stanford)
#2 (Connecticut)
#4 (Maryland)
#10 (Oregon) **
#11 (N.C. State)
#30 (South Florida) ***
#35 (South Dakota)


Based on 2020-21 final AP Poll (top 25):
CT:
#6 (South Carolina)
#8 (Louisville)
#9 (UCLA)
#13 (Tennessee)
#15 (Arkansas)
#19 (South Florida) *
#23 (Oregon)

USC:
#1 (Connecticut)
#2 (Stanford)
#3 (N.C. State)
#7 (Maryland)
#19 (South Florida) ***
#23 (Oregon) **


Based on ESPN's 2021-22 "Way Too Early" Top 25:
CT:
#2 (South Carolina)
#6 (Louisville)
#10 (Oregon)
#18 (Tennessee)
#19 (South Florida) *
#20 (Georgia Tech)
#24 (Notre Dame)

USC:
#1 (Connecticut)
#3 (Stanford)
#5 (Maryland)
#8 (N.C. State)
#10 (Oregon) **
#19 (South Florida) ***
#25 (South Dakota)


* depends on USF beating Syracuse in their 1st RD game in Battle 4 Atlantis, and Connecticut advancing past Minnesota.
** depends on Oregon beating Oklahoma in their 1st RD game in Battle 4 Atlantis, and SC advancing past Buffalo.
*** depends on South Florida and Connecticut advancing past their 1st RD games in Battle 4 Atlantis, and then USF beating CT, while SC advances to the championship game.
 
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LurkerExposed said:
Hmmm. Interesting:

Based on final NET rankings last season (top 35):
CT:
#5 (South Carolina)
#6 (Louisville)
#8 (UCLA)
#10 (Oregon)
#16 (Tennessee)
#24 (Arkansas)
#30 (South Florida) *
#31 (Georgia Tech)

USC:
#1 (Stanford)
#2 (Connecticut)
#4 (Maryland)
#10 (Oregon) **
#11 (N.C. State)
#30 (South Florida) ***
#35 (South Dakota)


Based on 2020-21 final AP Poll (top 25):
CT:
#6 (South Carolina)
#8 (Louisville)
#9 (UCLA)
#13 (Tennessee)
#15 (Arkansas)
#19 (South Florida) *
#23 (Oregon)

USC:
#1 (Connecticut)
#2 (Stanford)
#3 (N.C. State)
#7 (Maryland)
#19 (South Florida) ***
#23 (Oregon) **


Based on ESPN's 2021-22 "Way Too Early" Top 25:
CT:
#2 (South Carolina)
#6 (Louisville)
#10 (Oregon)
#18 (Tennessee)
#19 (South Florida) *
#20 (Georgia Tech)
#24 (Notre Dame)

USC:
#1 (Connecticut)
#3 (Stanford)
#5 (Maryland)
#8 (N.C. State)
#10 (Oregon) **
#19 (South Florida) ***
#25 (South Dakota)


* depends on USF beating Syracuse in their 1st RD game in Battle 4 Atlantis, and Connecticut advancing past Minnesota.
** depends on Oregon beating Oklahoma in their 1st RD game in Battle 4 Atlantis, and SC advancing past Buffalo.
*** depends on South Florida and Connecticut advancing past their 1st RD games in Battle 4 Atlantis, and then USF beating CT, while SC advances to the championship game.
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If you add the conference schedules to both UConn and SC or even Tennessee's schedule then Tennessee and SC's schedules are a lot tougher. The non conference about even then UConn is totally surpassed by the conference schedules that Tennessee and SC play.
 
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VA_VOLFAN said:
It's funny how he had better team play when she left though... not knocking chennedy as she won them a lot of games but that next team of team players won them a title. Chennedy did what she needed/was asked to do her team.
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There was a reason they were better and it is called overall team efficiency. She scored a lot of points, but it took a lot of shots to get them. Her career field goal percentage there was lower than Rennia Davis at Tennessee. Always overlooked is how many shots a player average per game to get the point total they averaged. Most people look at it and say wow she is averaging 25 ppg which isn't that great if it is taking you 30 shots to get them.
 
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LurkerExposed said:
Hmmm. Interesting:

Based on final NET rankings last season (top 35):
CT:
#5 (South Carolina)
#6 (Louisville)
#8 (UCLA)
#10 (Oregon)
#16 (Tennessee)
#24 (Arkansas)
#30 (South Florida) *
#31 (Georgia Tech)

USC:
#1 (Stanford)
#2 (Connecticut)
#4 (Maryland)
#10 (Oregon) **
#11 (N.C. State)
#30 (South Florida) ***
#35 (South Dakota)


Based on 2020-21 final AP Poll (top 25):
CT:
#6 (South Carolina)
#8 (Louisville)
#9 (UCLA)
#13 (Tennessee)
#15 (Arkansas)
#19 (South Florida) *
#23 (Oregon)

USC:
#1 (Connecticut)
#2 (Stanford)
#3 (N.C. State)
#7 (Maryland)
#19 (South Florida) ***
#23 (Oregon) **


Based on ESPN's 2021-22 "Way Too Early" Top 25:
CT:
#2 (South Carolina)
#6 (Louisville)
#10 (Oregon)
#18 (Tennessee)
#19 (South Florida) *
#20 (Georgia Tech)
#24 (Notre Dame)

USC:
#1 (Connecticut)
#3 (Stanford)
#5 (Maryland)
#8 (N.C. State)
#10 (Oregon) **
#19 (South Florida) ***
#25 (South Dakota)


* depends on USF beating Syracuse in their 1st RD game in Battle 4 Atlantis, and Connecticut advancing past Minnesota.
** depends on Oregon beating Oklahoma in their 1st RD game in Battle 4 Atlantis, and SC advancing past Buffalo.
*** depends on South Florida and Connecticut advancing past their 1st RD games in Battle 4 Atlantis, and then USF beating CT, while SC advances to the championship game.
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I guess the non-con makes up for the powderpuff con.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
If you add the conference schedules to both UConn and SC or even Tennessee's schedule then Tennessee and SC's schedules are a lot tougher. The non conference about even then UConn is totally surpassed by the conference schedules that Tennessee and SC play.
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Yes. CT fans say they balance out the weaker conference slate by scheduling a much tougher non-conference slate, but it's disingenuous. There's a reason why college football typically has it's non-conference games AT THE START of their seasons. College basketball schedules their non-conference games where? That's right - at the START of their seasons. Baseball? Softball? Etc. etc.?

Because TYPICALLY a conference slate of games are the tougher games to play: there's more at stake, there's a more balanced parity of strength between conference rivals, you play these teams more often over the years, and therefore learn all there is to learn about their strengths and weaknesses, so there's few surprises.

And since they are CONFERENCE games of the conference your team is a member of, you also have fewer to no say in who you schedule, when, and where. With NON-conference games, you get to pick and choose much more to suit your program's needs. If you have a weaker, thinner, or younger team, then you can schedule a weaker non-conf. schedule. If your team is a veteran one and prepared to make some noise on the national stage, you can roll the dice and schedule more competitive, nationally relevant opponents.

But regardless of the strength or weakness of your team and others, the BEGINNING of seasons are typically where the biggest questions regarding your team lie. Who will step up and fill empty roles left by graduation? Which units will gel together quicker? Who will learn the schemes faster? Can players rise above their previous season's levels? Typically ALL of those questions are learned during the non-conference portion of the season. In fact, they are usually DEPENDED on being learned then.

So if say, you have a program like Connecticut for argument's sake, where you typically have a very strong cast of players - top rated and regarded prep stars from top to bottom. There STILL will be a degree of learning curve at the start of each and every season, but it's smaller and briefer than one would expect with most other programs.

THEN, you can roll that dice with even smaller margin for error - even other highly regarded top programs that still may not have the same level of talent depth your program has, will have a larger margin for error. Later in the season, they may have it all figured out, and if you played them THEN, your own team may be in serious trouble. But you play them at the START of the season, BEFORE they figured things out, and your team has the greater chance of being the better team then.

And then - after your team has racked up a pretty impressive line of wins against highly regarded opponents, they get a breather: their own conference slate. Because Connecticut has played in a weaker conference for years now. More than decade. And while OTHER top rated national programs beat up on each other in the 2nd half of the season in their own competitive conferences, CT can go undefeated each season, averaging a 40+ point MOV against their own conference. Getting ample minutes for their reserves. Padding their stats. And reserving their energy for the NCAAT.....

It's a pretty neat trick, if you can get away with it.....
 
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LurkerExposed said:
Yes. CT fans say they balance out the weaker conference slate by scheduling a much tougher non-conference slate, but it's disingenuous. There's a reason why college football typically has it's non-conference games AT THE START of their seasons. College basketball schedules their non-conference games where? That's right - at the START of their seasons. Baseball? Softball? Etc. etc.?

Because TYPICALLY a conference slate of games are the tougher games to play: there's more at stake, there's a more balanced parity of strength between conference rivals, you play these teams more often over the years, and therefore learn all there is to learn about their strengths and weaknesses, so there's few surprises.

And since they are CONFERENCE games of the conference your team is a member of, you also have fewer to no say in who you schedule, when, and where. With NON-conference games, you get to pick and choose much more to suit your program's needs. If you have a weaker, thinner, or younger team, then you can schedule a weaker non-conf. schedule. If your team is a veteran one and prepared to make some noise on the national stage, you can roll the dice and schedule more competitive, nationally relevant opponents.

But regardless of the strength or weakness of your team and others, the BEGINNING of seasons are typically where the biggest questions regarding your team lie. Who will step up and fill empty roles left by graduation? Which units will gel together quicker? Who will learn the schemes faster? Can players rise above their previous season's levels? Typically ALL of those questions are learned during the non-conference portion of the season. In fact, they are usually DEPENDED on being learned then.

So if say, you have a program like Connecticut for argument's sake, where you typically have a very strong cast of players - top rated and regarded prep stars from top to bottom. There STILL will be a degree of learning curve at the start of each and every season, but it's smaller and briefer than one would expect with most other programs.

THEN, you can roll that dice with even smaller margin for error - even other highly regarded top programs that still may not have the same level of talent depth your program has, will have a larger margin for error. Later in the season, they may have it all figured out, and if you played them THEN, your own team may be in serious trouble. But you play them at the START of the season, BEFORE they figured things out, and your team has the greater chance of being the better team then.

And then - after your team has racked up a pretty impressive line of wins against highly regarded opponents, they get a breather: their own conference slate. Because Connecticut has played in a weaker conference for years now. More than decade. And while OTHER top rated national programs beat up on each other in the 2nd half of the season in their own competitive conferences, CT can go undefeated each season, averaging a 40+ point MOV against their own conference. Getting ample minutes for their reserves. Padding their stats. And reserving their energy for the NCAAT.....

It's a pretty neat trick, if you can get away with it.....
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Well it’s basketball do they really beat up on each other. Sometimes they play 3-4 days in a row in a tourney. 30-35 games a season. There is a grind but physically beating up like football no hardly.
 
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PG1 said:
Well it’s basketball do they really beat up on each other. Sometimes they play 3-4 days in a row in a tourney. 30-35 games a season. There is a grind but physically beating up like football no hardly.
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I didn't mean it in the literal sense - more like with conferences of teams where multiple teams get wins off of each other throughout the season or have tightly contested games down to the wire, as opposed to one team just wading through the entire conference undefeated year after year, winning all games by 30-40 pts.....
 
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LurkerExposed said:
Yes. CT fans say they balance out the weaker conference slate by scheduling a much tougher non-conference slate, but it's disingenuous. There's a reason why college football typically has it's non-conference games AT THE START of their seasons. College basketball schedules their non-conference games where? That's right - at the START of their seasons. Baseball? Softball? Etc. etc.?

Because TYPICALLY a conference slate of games are the tougher games to play: there's more at stake, there's a more balanced parity of strength between conference rivals, you play these teams more often over the years, and therefore learn all there is to learn about their strengths and weaknesses, so there's few surprises.

And since they are CONFERENCE games of the conference your team is a member of, you also have fewer to no say in who you schedule, when, and where. With NON-conference games, you get to pick and choose much more to suit your program's needs. If you have a weaker, thinner, or younger team, then you can schedule a weaker non-conf. schedule. If your team is a veteran one and prepared to make some noise on the national stage, you can roll the dice and schedule more competitive, nationally relevant opponents.

But regardless of the strength or weakness of your team and others, the BEGINNING of seasons are typically where the biggest questions regarding your team lie. Who will step up and fill empty roles left by graduation? Which units will gel together quicker? Who will learn the schemes faster? Can players rise above their previous season's levels? Typically ALL of those questions are learned during the non-conference portion of the season. In fact, they are usually DEPENDED on being learned then.

So if say, you have a program like Connecticut for argument's sake, where you typically have a very strong cast of players - top rated and regarded prep stars from top to bottom. There STILL will be a degree of learning curve at the start of each and every season, but it's smaller and briefer than one would expect with most other programs.

THEN, you can roll that dice with even smaller margin for error - even other highly regarded top programs that still may not have the same level of talent depth your program has, will have a larger margin for error. Later in the season, they may have it all figured out, and if you played them THEN, your own team may be in serious trouble. But you play them at the START of the season, BEFORE they figured things out, and your team has the greater chance of being the better team then.

And then - after your team has racked up a pretty impressive line of wins against highly regarded opponents, they get a breather: their own conference slate. Because Connecticut has played in a weaker conference for years now. More than decade. And while OTHER top rated national programs beat up on each other in the 2nd half of the season in their own competitive conferences, CT can go undefeated each season, averaging a 40+ point MOV against their own conference. Getting ample minutes for their reserves. Padding their stats. And reserving their energy for the NCAAT.....

It's a pretty neat trick, if you can get away with it.....
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Phenomenal take!
 
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Phenomenal take indeed. But Uconn plays Oregon and South Carolina in January, and UT in February.
Auriemma is well aware that a non-competitive conference schedule is not the best way to prepare for the NCAAs.
 
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Did not see this coming LSU was not even in her top 10 when she cut her list. Kim ?
 
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Argonaut said:
Has to be Kim since Baylor was in her top 10.

I sort of hope she lands at Gonzaga. I love when a strong mid-major can capture the attention of elite prospects!
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Are you saying this because UConn isn't on her list of schools and it's better for her to go a mid major than one of the top programs or top coaches.

Vanslooten in recent articles and on social media has been talking about how much she loves the West Coast and she wasn't going to go to a school in the Midwest (where she's from).
 
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Terrells Bay88 said:
Are you saying this because UConn isn't on her list of schools and it's better for her to go a mid major than one of the top programs or top coaches.

Vanslooten in recent articles and on social media has been talking about how much she loves the West Coast and she wasn't going to go to a school in the Midwest (where she's from).
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Nah, but nice try.

I really think parity is good for the game, but won't happen if some of the wealth isn't spread around. I love that Clark chose Iowa. I think it's great that Vic is turning things around at Texas again. I'm stoked to see what Kara can do at Duke, and think there are going to be some serious battles in the Triangle in the next few years with State, Duke, and Carolina. I wish Diamond Johnson would have stuck it out at Rutgers. I was on the edge of my seat rooting for Troy when they nearly upset TA&M in the tournament this year...

Other than the players who chose UConn, only four players from the top 50 and twelve players from 51-100 chose a non-p5 program. There are so few opportunities for women to make a successful career out of basketball so, yes, I do like when prospects go with the school that they love or with the academic program they want instead of just the name of the program. College is too fun and too short not to really enjoy the time you have there. Not to mention, more quality basketball builds the fan base and that leads to more investment in women's sports from top to bottom.

FWIW, UConn is not the top school in my personal fandom, but it's tough to find people who want to talk about women's sports at the NAIA level. But since I have your attention, my beloved Argos are currently #10 in the volleyball coaches' poll, and finished a really tough non-conference slate at 9-2, with three wins over other top 10 teams. And I'm super interested to see how the basketball team does after a disappointing 20/21, but returning their top seven scorers and two AAs.
 
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