North Carolina State would be perfect

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VolInsider said:
Actually, the $20m is less than Texas A&M's buyout. NC State would make that money back quickly with the revenue they stand to gain from membership in the SEC.

The buyout is a speedbump, not a hurdle.

If anything, the SEC might help pay it or waive fees just to help NC State out. They stand to make that much from the new inroads to the banking and research industries in the Triangle and Charlotte areas.
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What does an athletic conference have to do with funding for scientific research at universities?
 
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golfballs03 said:
What does an athletic conference have to do with funding for scientific research at universities?
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More than you might think.

Boosters with large bank accounts are typically fans of sport and whatever industry they have been involved in to make their money. Many times, this includes research-centric fields such as medicine, computer science, engineering, and other technological fields. These people often give to athletics and academics.

Also, the universities themselves often share academic information and resources among other schools in their conference. The BigTen 'only' accepting AAU schools isn't 100% bull. There is some academic merit there. Hiring officials in these places are also more inclined to give internships and job opportunities to people from schools with which they are more familiar, or have some tie to.

My primary point though was that the SEC can make money by tapping new financial resources in the Triangle and Charlotte areas. There are numerous fortune 500 and top research companies with a presence in that area which are potential corporate partners, media sponsors, ticket holders, etc.

Maybe you have heard of Bank of America, Lowe's, BB&T, Reynolds products, Dow Chemical, Family Dollar, VF Industries, Goodrich, BASF, Harris Semiconductor, Alterra, Conexant, Cypress Semiconductor, Intel, NEC, Northrup Grumman, NVIDIA, and Texas Instruments....all have offices, plants, headquarters, and/or research facilities in NC.
 
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VolInsider said:
More than you might think.

Boosters with large bank accounts are typically fans of sport and whatever industry they have been involved in to make their money. Many times, this includes research-centric fields such as medicine, computer science, engineering, and other technological fields. These people often give to athletics and academics.

Also, the universities themselves often share academic information and resources among other schools in their conference. The BigTen 'only' accepting AAU schools isn't 100% bull. There is some academic merit there. Hiring officials in these places are also more inclined to give internships and job opportunities to people from schools with which they are more familiar, or have some tie to.

My primary point though was that the SEC can make money by tapping new financial resources in the Triangle and Charlotte areas. There are numerous fortune 500 and top research companies with a presence in that area which are potential corporate partners, media sponsors, ticket holders, etc.

Maybe you have heard of Bank of America, Lowe's, BB&T, Reynolds products, Dow Chemical, Family Dollar, VF Industries, Goodrich, BASF, Harris Semiconductor, Alterra, Conexant, Cypress Semiconductor, Intel, NEC, Northrup Grumman, NVIDIA, and Texas Instruments....all have offices, plants, headquarters, and/or research facilities in NC.
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Ok, I wasn't clear on your initial point. Essentially, it makes no difference what kind of industry is in NC, just as long as they are of value - provide sponsorship $, purchase tickets, etc.

The real bottom line, though, is the TV markets. Who will add more viewers??
 
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I graduated from NC State. I just can't see them breaking apart from UNC. The schools are very closely linked politically with each school's chancellor reporting to the UNC President. I can't see the President allowing the 2 schools to separate into separate athletic conferences.

Football wise, neither UNC nor NC State has been anything to write home about in recent years. I think the last time either won the ACC title in football was in the mid 80's.
 
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golfballs03 said:
The real bottom line, though, is the TV markets. Who will add more viewers??
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NC State: 2,996,000
#23 - Charlotte (1.166m)
#25 - Raleigh/Durham (1.131m)
#47 - Greensboro/High Point/Winston-Salem (699k)

Missouri: 2,656,000
#21 - St. Louis (1.258m)
#31 - Kansas City (974k)
#74 - Springfield, MO (424k)

Virginia Tech: 1,738,000*
#66 - Roanoke/Lynchburg (464k)
#43 - Norfolk/Newport News (716k)
#57 - Richmond (558k)

West Virginia: 1,621,000
#24 - Pittsburgh (1.116m)
#64 - Charleston/Huntington (505k)

Oklahoma/OK State: 1,239,000
#45 - Oklahoma City (704k)
#61 - Tulsa (535k)

Clemson: 878,000
#36 - Greeneville/Spartanburg/Asheville (878k)

ETSU: 337,000
#92 - Johnson City/Bristol/Kingsport (337k)
:) j/k

*added some VA markets per tri-vol's request...only have listing of Top 100 markets.
 
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VolInsider said:
NC State: 2,996,000
#23 - Charlotte (1.166m)
#25 - Raleigh/Durham (1.131m)
#47 - Greensboro/High Point/Winston-Salem (699k)

Missouri: 2,656,000
#21 - St. Louis (1.258m)
#31 - Kansas City (974k)
#74 - Springfield, MO (424k)

West Virginia: 1,116,000
#24 - Pittsburgh (1.116m)

Oklahoma/OK State: 1,239,000
#45 - Oklahoma City (704k)
#61 - Tulsa (535k)

Clemson: 878,000
#36 - Greeneville/Spartanburg/Asheville (878k)

Virginia Tech: 464,000
#66 - Roanoke/Lynchburg (464k)

ETSU: 337,000
#92 - Johnson City/Bristol/Kingsport (337k)
:) j/k
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VTs tv reach goes far beyond roanoke & blacksburg
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Added some Virginia markets per request...but I only have a listing of the top 100 markets.
 
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Hard for me to believe that DC is not a top 100 tv market.
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Its hard for me to believe VT has that much reach. DC is 5 hours away, UVA and Maryland are closer, and many people are more focused on pro sports. IMO adding the southern VA markets is enough of a stretch.
 
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VolInsider said:
Its hard for me to believe VT has that much reach. DC is 5 hours away, UVA and Maryland are closer, and many people are more focused on pro sports. IMO adding the southern VA markets is enough of a stretch.
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Their biggest alumni chapter is in DC. Beamer heavily recruits that area and is very successful. Most Tech fans are equal pro & college. So while DC is a pro city, the Hokies have a great base in DC and the surrounding northern VA market.

UVA football sucks and their fans are worthless. They are the Vandy of the ACC. there are twice as many hokies as hoos.

Maryland is a non factor.
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tri_vol said:
Their biggest alumni chapter is in DC. Beamer heavily recruits that area and is very successful. Most Tech fans are equal pro & college. So while DC is a pro city, the Hokies have a great base in DC and the surrounding northern VA market.

UVA football sucks and their fans are worthless. They are the Vandy of the ACC. there are twice as many hokies as hoos.

Maryland is a non factor.
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Spot on.

VT's got a very sizable fanbase. UVa has basically no fans, and Maryland's reach is about split with Tech in DC- NoVa is easily majority Tech, college-wise.

They also have a pretty huge following in the Charlotte area. More and more Tech grads are heading down there for the banking jobs.
 
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Btw, I'm going to the nc state vs cincy game tonight. Should be a good game
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milohimself said:
I'm pretty sure any and all acc schools are on lockdown.
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I wouldn't be so sure.

Rumblings around Blacksburg/Roanoke say that there is still a thought that Tech could end up in the SEC.

I've heard from several FSU fans that they believe FSU would attempt to get into the SEC simply because they are worried the ACC is going to focus solely on basketball.
 
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Nothing, but why leave the acc where they can actually be competitive for a much tougher conference with a marginally better payday with a $20mil price tag?
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milohimself said:
Nothing, but why leave the acc where they can actually be competitive for a much tougher conference with a marginally better payday with a $20mil price tag?
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Because that $20 million will likely be mostly covered for them, the payday will easily be better after it's split (because what TV network is going to look an already weak ACC with two additional weak football schools and reward a massive upgrade in pay), and those teams are already losing money going to BCS games (there is plenty of documentation on Tech's losses, at the very least).

It's about money, and a move to the SEC would generate more of it, by far. "Marginal" is not a word that should be used.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
Because that $20 million will likely be mostly covered for them, the payday will easily be better after it's split (because what TV network is going to look an already weak ACC with two weak football schools and reward a massive upgrade in pay), and those teams are already losing money going to BCS games (there is plenty of documentation on Tech's losses, at the very least).

It's about money, and a move to the SEC would generate more of it, by far. "Marginal" is not a word that should be used.
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If we get Virginia Tech, NC St, and Missouri I will be so pumped about our conference.
 
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governor fought to get tech into the acc. Think they would be a package deal with uva. wouldn't mind having uva. Great academics and it would give vandy someone to compete with.
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tri_vol said:
governor fought to get tech into the acc. Think they would be a package deal with uva. wouldn't mind having uva. Great academics and it would give vandy someone to compete with.
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They are absolutely not be a package deal with UVa, especially since UVa's got a safe spot in a conference already.

This "package deal" garbage is being overplayed to a ridiculous extent on this board.
 
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I don't believe that anyone from the ACC will come to the SEC. The conference just added two big markets, one being the biggest in the nation, and I don't think the SEC will want to pay the buyout for any of the ACC schools.
 
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