North Korea confirms to White House that it is willing to talk about denuclearization

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unnamed source, but it would be huge if it happens. even if its just a legit talk that goes no where. as long as war doesn't erupt its a win.
 
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Don’t believe it. They may have said it, but they aren’t serious. This is about legitimization on the national stage to generate propaganda material. Any token steps they take won’t be meaningful and in the end we will be right back where we started, and they will want talks again.

Rinse, repeat. Regime stays in power.
 
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rjd970 said:
Don’t believe it. They may have said it, but they aren’t serious. This is about legitimization on the national stage to generate propaganda material. Any token steps they take won’t be meaningful and in the end we will be right back where we started, and they will want talks again.

Rinse, repeat. Regime stays in power.
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Yep.

Basically, NK gets to the point where they need food aid. They make promises. They get the food. They do not hold up their end of the bargain.

I imagine that Kim and his son, reach a point every so often when it is clear that they can no longer feed and keep those content who are necessary to impose their will on the people. That is, eventually the guards and the police get hungry, too.

It is at this stage that their power over their people is in real peril, and at this stage in which they are willing to talk and make some temporary concessions, simply to keep their regime going.

It sounds cruel, but I think the best approach the world could take to NK is to simply ignore them. Eventually, an internal coup will take place and overthrow the regime.
 
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therealUT said:
Yep.

Basically, NK gets to the point where they need food aid. They make promises. They get the food. They do not hold up their end of the bargain.

I imagine that Kim and his son, reach a point every so often when it is clear that they can no longer feed and keep those content who are necessary to impose their will on the people. That is, eventually the guards and the police get hungry, too.

It is at this stage that their power over their people is in real peril, and at this stage in which they are willing to talk and make some temporary concessions, simply to keep their regime going.

It sounds cruel, but I think the best approach the world could take to NK is to simply ignore them. Eventually, an internal coup will take place and overthrow the regime.
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I'd just as soon put a cruise missile thru his bedroom window. Or have a SEAL team take his head off. Either way works for me. While I like your thinking, the coup of which you speak might not ever take place. Time marches on.
 
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therealUT said:
It sounds cruel, but I think the best approach the world could take to NK is to simply ignore them. Eventually, an internal coup will take place and overthrow the regime.
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Agree to an extent. The only problem you face is those with the weapons are those being fed. It's not like you have a well armed populace over there to support an uprising.
 
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'Rhetorical policy': Bolton says Trump administration is bluffing on vow to denuclearize North Korea
Former national security adviser John Bolton is questioning whether the Trump administration "really means it" when the president and other officials promise to denuclearize North Korea.

Speaking with Axios in an interview published Sunday, Bolton accused President Trump of bluffing on the vow to rid the hermit nation of nuclear weapons, saying the White House "would be pursuing a different course" if the pledge were true.
"The idea that we are somehow exerting maximum pressure on North Korea is just unfortunately not true," he said, calling the Trump administration's assertion that the country cannot have nukes a "rhetorical policy."
If North Korea follows through on its promised "Christmas gift" for the United States, which some believe is a sign that the country could resume long-distance missile tests

North Korea's 'Christmas gift' potentially a new anti-US hard-line policy, source says - CNN

North Korea is planning to adopt a hard-line policy toward the United States that involves taking denuclearization off the table amid perceptions that President Donald Trump is vulnerable politically, a source familiar with the North Korean leadership's current mindset told CNN.
The source said this new policy is likely the so-called "Christmas gift" floated by a top North Korean official earlier this month. It is expected to include abandoning negotiations with Washington and consolidating Pyongyang's status as a nuclear weapons state.
Pyongyang will also no longer pursue sanctions relief as a means of achieving economic development either in the short-term or long-term, but will instead increase its commitment to the state's ideology of self-reliance, known as Juche.
 
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Our concern is their missle program. They can't reach us yet. China, Japan, South Korea, and the rest of East Asia should worry about NK's nukes.
 
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rjd970 said:
Dont believe it. They may have said it, but they arent serious. This is about legitimization on the national stage to generate propaganda material. Any token steps they take wont be meaningful and in the end we will be right back where we started, and they will want talks again.

Rinse, repeat. Regime stays in power.
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Wait... who are we to be the ones that are cynical about someone keeping their end of an agreement? When was the last time the United States kept its word on an agreement? Hell, if anything, other countries should have a healthy distrust of us.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Wait... who are we to be the ones that are cynical about someone keeping their end of an agreement? When was the last time the United States kept its word on an agreement? Hell, if anything, other countries should have a healthy distrust of us.
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Thanks Greta please get back on your boat now.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Wait... who are we to be the ones that are cynical about someone keeping their end of an agreement? When was the last time the United States kept its word on an agreement? Hell, if anything, other countries should have a healthy distrust of us.
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How dare us!
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Our concern is their missle program. They can't reach us yet. China, Japan, South Korea, and the rest of East Asia should worry about NK's nukes.
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Let them worry about them... and while they are at it, let them handle the problem. We really shouldn't even be involved in that nonsense. They can replace the troops we have in South Korea with their own, also.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No worse than giving him the credibility that Trump has.
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That’s such a silly thing to worry about. He is the leader of that country no matter how we feel about it. Leaders should always talk. Even when you can’t trust each other. It’s not like bc Trump net with him all of sudden a bunch of countries believe them to be credible. Will it be used for propaganda inside NK? Of course. But they would use not meeting with him the same way.
 
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Mick said:
'Rhetorical policy': Bolton says Trump administration is bluffing on vow to denuclearize North Korea
Former national security adviser John Bolton is questioning whether the Trump administration "really means it" when the president and other officials promise to denuclearize North Korea.

Speaking with Axios in an interview published Sunday, Bolton accused President Trump of bluffing on the vow to rid the hermit nation of nuclear weapons, saying the White House "would be pursuing a different course" if the pledge were true.
"The idea that we are somehow exerting maximum pressure on North Korea is just unfortunately not true," he said, calling the Trump administration's assertion that the country cannot have nukes a "rhetorical policy."
If North Korea follows through on its promised "Christmas gift" for the United States, which some believe is a sign that the country could resume long-distance missile tests

North Korea's 'Christmas gift' potentially a new anti-US hard-line policy, source says - CNN

North Korea is planning to adopt a hard-line policy toward the United States that involves taking denuclearization off the table amid perceptions that President Donald Trump is vulnerable politically, a source familiar with the North Korean leadership's current mindset told CNN.
The source said this new policy is likely the so-called "Christmas gift" floated by a top North Korean official earlier this month. It is expected to include abandoning negotiations with Washington and consolidating Pyongyang's status as a nuclear weapons state.
Pyongyang will also no longer pursue sanctions relief as a means of achieving economic development either in the short-term or long-term, but will instead increase its commitment to the state's ideology of self-reliance, known as Juche.
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Anything John Bolton says should be paired with the assumption that any solution he proposes would lean towards military escalation and conflict. That guy has a war bias.
 
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