North Korea confirms to White House that it is willing to talk about denuclearization

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lawgator1 said:
There were many people from the GOP and conservative corners who warned at the time that Trump was being played.

They were right.
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Really. So we get two years of no ICBM tests and no Nuclear bomb testing, the return of political prisoners and remains of our fallen. What did we give up to get those and what had other Presidents accomplished with North Korea since, let's say Bill Clinton?
 
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37L1 said:
Really. So we get two years of no ICBM tests and no Nuclear bomb testing, the return of political prisoners and remains of our fallen. What did we give up to get those and what had other Presidents accomplished with North Korea since, let's say Bill Clinton?
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How many political prisoners did they return to us during Trump's term?

And while getting back remains is worthwhile its not meaningful in the strategic sense.

So he got them not to test (I think you are exaggerating that a bit but ok). But they are ramping up again now and have given up NOTHING in capability or ordinance.
 
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lawgator1 said:
How many political prisoners did they return to us during Trump's term?

And while getting back remains is worthwhile its not meaningful in the strategic sense.

So he got them not to test (I think you are exaggerating that a bit but ok). But they are ramping up again now and have given up NOTHING in capability or ordinance.
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And the other Presidents got d!ck.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yeah, sure looks like denuclearization is right around the corner
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good Lord. You act as if anyone really expected him to cut a deal to undo 50 years of autocratic dictatorial rule, essentially overnight. Maybe if the MSM were on board with the project he could have gotten farther, but dear God no, we couldn't have that. Better to have a chickenshit ass kisser like Zero that does NOTHING.
 
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volfanhill said:
That’s such a silly thing to worry about. He is the leader of that country no matter how we feel about it. Leaders should always talk. Even when you can’t trust each other. It’s not like bc Trump net with him all of sudden a bunch of countries believe them to be credible. Will it be used for propaganda inside NK? Of course. But they would use not meeting with him the same way.
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Trump telling a pool of reporters that he and Kim Jong Un "fell in love" while exchanging letters to each other probably doesn't hurt anything, but it does make Trump appear gullible and susceptible to manipulation by way of flattery. Kim Jong Un understands that Trump is driven by his ego, and he has played to that.

What is funny, is that Trump has lobbied hard for a Nobel Peace Prize for over a year now, for his "achievements" on this issue, when there is no indication that North Korea has become any more serious about de-nuclearizing than they were in the past.
 
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As long as a Kim is dictator of NK they will not give up their nukes. The threat of devastating Seoul and perhaps a city in Japan is their only guarantee of maintaining power. They know they cannot win a conventional war. They also know we're not likely to attack if they have nukes.

IMO the most likely end of the Kims will come in the form of a military coup.
 
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davethevol said:
Many (myself included) never liked Bolton. I never understood why Trump picked him. I think Bolton is an evil guy.
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Not sure if this has anything to do with it, but I remember a saying that ends with ”keep your enemies closer”
 
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BigOrangeD said:
I would not call him Evil. He just has a different approach to things and a different perspective than the rest of us. He is a very intelligent man and wants to protect America.
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Bolton is deeply entrenched in the Military-Industrial-Media Complex

Trump likes to get dissenting opinions so he can make decisions based on all options and understand opposing points of view
 
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ajvol01 said:
Bolton is deeply entrenched in the Military-Industrial-Media Complex

Trump likes to get dissenting opinions so he can make decisions based on all options and understand opposing points of view
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LOL

Trump surrounds himself with yes men and fires the others.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
As long as a Kim is dictator of NK they will not give up their nukes. The threat of devastating Seoul and perhaps a city in Japan is their only guarantee of maintaining power. They know they cannot win a conventional war. They also know we're not likely to attack if they have nukes.

IMO the most likely end of the Kims will come in the form of a military coup.
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I agree with this. A nuclear strike capability against Seoul is the only deterrent that Kim has to keep from being invaded. Staying in power is all that he cares about and he is well aware of what happened to Muammar Gaddafi in Libya, after he gave up his nukes. I would also add that the sanctions don't really bother Kim Jong Un, either. He is obviously well fed and lives a life of luxury. That is all that matters. There is not one good reason for Kim Jong Un to de-nuclearize.
 
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Septic said:
LOL

Trump surrounds himself with yes men and fires the others.
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This is true. It was very predictable that the Generals that Trump had working for him such as John Kelly, HR McMaster and James Mattis wouldn't be a good fit with the rest of the administration and they wouldn't last very long. They didn't. The turnover in the White House has been unusually high during Trump's first term.
 
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ajvol01 said:
Bolton is deeply entrenched in the Military-Industrial-Media Complex

Trump likes to get dissenting opinions so he can make decisions based on all options and understand opposing points of view
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This sentence, which I placed in bold, is contradicted by the fact that the advisers and cabinet members who have given opposing points of view, or provided Donald Trump with intel that runs counter to his belief system (Rex Tillerson, Dan Coats, Nikki Haley, Kirstjen Nielsen, HR McMaster, John Kelly and James Mattis), were all summarily replaced with those who didn't.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This sentence, which I placed in bold, is contradicted by the fact that the advisers and cabinet members who have given opposing points of view, or provided Donald Trump with intel that runs counter to his belief system (Rex Tillerson, Dan Coats, Nikki Haley, Kirstjen Nielsen, HR McMaster, John Kelly and James Mattis), were all summarily replaced with those who didn't.
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No chance that he wrote that with a straight face. He's trolling.
 
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