Notre Dame preparing "major" offer for Urban Meyer?

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Lawrence Wright said:
Notre Dame definitely has advantages, but SEC teams like Florida, Alabama, LSU and Tennessee are on TV every week too. Hell, everyone's got cable, and this past Saturday there were no less than SIX games being televised in the noon slot. The TV argument is overrated.

Going 9-3 and getting an invite to a BCS is great if you're okay with getting absolutely destroyed by a quality opponent in that BCS bowl. Coaches recruiting against Notre Dame already have this one covered. Look at Notre Dame's track record in BCS bowls.

You're on crack if you think Jimmy Clausen is the current Heisman frontrunner. If he wins I'll buy you and three buddies a round of beer at the Copper Cellar next September. Brady Quinn was a fraud too.

National championships in a 2010 recruit's lifetime? Nope. Next year's recruits weren't born the last time ND won it all. The great Nebraska and FSU teams of the 90s are ancient history to these kids.

Fame? Sure. It's Notre Dame. Their history and tradition is unmatched. Is that enough for a 5-star stud to choose South Bend over Tuscaloosa, Los Angeles, Austin or Columbus? Maybe.

Notre Dame does have advantages, I don't deny that. Would Meyer succeed there? Absolutely...he's succeeded everywhere he's been.

But the fact of the matter is it will be much more difficult, in spite of all of the advantages Notre Dame has, to build and sustain a dominant program in South Bend as compared to places like UF, Ohio State, Southern Cal and Texas.
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You entered this discussion with the assertion that Meyer couldn't "sustain a championship program" because of the lack of Indiana highschool talent. I've spent way too much time trying to show how that has exactly nothing to do with a coach's ability to win at Notre Dame.

It is one of the top jobs in the country, and over any prolonged measure of time, for many reasons, I believe it makes a very strong case for the top job in the country, in large part because of its national recruiting draw, which is arguably even more important than the region draws in places like Florida, Texas, and California. I'll stick by my assessment that it is no more difficult, and might actually be easier, to "build and sustain a dominant program" at ND than the schools you mention for the right coach if the academic standards are dropped even marginally. Their independence alone gives them a huge advantage.


I don't know if that will sway Meyer or not. It is a place where, if he does a good job, he will have the opportunity be as successful even by the high standards he has set at Florida, and it has the potential to be higher profile and higher paying than his current gig.

BTW, Jimmy Clausen was the frontrunner for the Heisman when he was 6-2, and SECtv =/= network primetime. No crack for me.
 
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Urban Meyer isnt going anywhere. After gators win another national title, he will get a raise and he will stay there at least 10 more years. 20 years ago, notre dame was maybe the number 1 job, not today. Florida is. Look at the talent they have that cant even get on the field. Their second string team could beat notre dame's starters. He has a monster recruiting class year after year after year. He probably doesn't even have to work that hard to recruit there. At notre dame he would have to work his ass off recruiting, with a bunch of boosters ready to have him fired if they slip just a little. I can think of at least 10 if not more better jobs than notre dame's. Brian Kelly or whoever, will regret ever taking the job. Notre dame is and always will be a bunch of sore losers who suck even worse than bama or florida combined.
 
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If he goes he better find him a top notch Def Co. Charlies problems have been on the other side of the ball.
 
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cotton said:
You entered this discussion with the assertion that Meyer couldn't "sustain a championship program" because of the lack of Indiana highschool talent. I've spent way too much time trying to show how that has exactly nothing to do with a coach's ability to win at Notre Dame.

It is one of the top jobs in the country, and over any prolonged measure of time, for many reasons, I believe it makes a very strong case for the top job in the country, in large part because of its national recruiting draw, which is arguably even more important than the region draws in places like Florida, Texas, and California. I'll stick by my assessment that it is no more difficult, and might actually be easier, to "build and sustain a dominant program" at ND than the schools you mention for the right coach if the academic standards are dropped even marginally. Their independence alone gives them a huge advantage.


I don't know if that will sway Meyer or not. It is a place where, if he does a good job, he will have the opportunity be as successful even by the high standards he has set at Florida, and it has the potential to be higher profile and higher paying than his current gig.

BTW, Jimmy Clausen was the frontrunner for the Heisman when he was 6-2, and SECtv =/= network primetime. No crack for me.
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You might want to go back and read my posts again. At no point did I "assert that Meyer couldn't sustain a championship program at Notre Dame because of a lack of available local talent". You're countering an argument that was never made.

Meyer has proven he can succeed anywhere he goes. If he does go to Notre Dame he'll be successful there too.

Another poster said at Notre Dame Meyer could recruit anywhere in the country. I responded by saying I don't think that's a plus for Notre Dame as much as it is a necessity.....based on the lack of available local talent.
 
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vavols24 said:
Urban Meyer isnt going anywhere. After gators win another national title, he will get a raise and he will stay there at least 10 more years. 20 years ago, notre dame was maybe the number 1 job, not today. Florida is. Look at the talent they have that cant even get on the field. Their second string team could beat notre dame's starters. He has a monster recruiting class year after year after year. He probably doesn't even have to work that hard to recruit there. At notre dame he would have to work his ass off recruiting, with a bunch of boosters ready to have him fired if they slip just a little. I can think of at least 10 if not more better jobs than notre dame's. Brian Kelly or whoever, will regret ever taking the job. Notre dame is and always will be a bunch of sore losers who suck even worse than bama or florida combined.
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Notre Dame is still the college equivalent to the Yankees or the Cowboys. If you can think of 10 jobs better, your evaluation skills are different than mine.

There is a reason Urban Meyer or Bob Stoops will give the opening serious consideration if the Pope calls. What other college job in the country would either of them seriously consider?


Lawrence Wright said:
You might want to go back and read my posts again. At no point did I "assert that Meyer couldn't sustain a championship program at Notre Dame because of a lack of available local talent". ...I responded by saying I don't think that's a plus for Notre Dame as much as it is a necessity.....based on the lack of available local talent.
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Lawrence Wright said:
More like he HAS to recruit nationally at Notre Dame.

The Indiana in-state talent isn't enough to build, let alone sustain a championship program.
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Looks a bit like splitting hairs, but it doesn't matter; "local talent" is still irrelevant. I've said my peace on the matter, and I'm tired of long posts.
 
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They throw 50 million at Meyer, he's gone. He has no ties to Florida and they won't offer him 50 million, that's absurd. Wow! Notre Dame turning into the New York Yankees of college football. Whoever told Notre Dame they were that important anyway?
 
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The Yankees have won in recent memory, the Cowboys have won at least a little in recent memory, mid to late 90's. When has Noter Dame won? I damn sure cant remember. When
 
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Vanity of Duluoz said:
It is plausible for Meyer to leave Florida for South Bend, yet some of the contract specifics seem far fetched. 50,000,000 is completely absurd!
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ND is completely absurd. What more do you expect? They will do anything to win again. And I for one am crossing my fingers that they make Urban an offer he can't refuse (not in the Godfather kind of way, but we can still wish.....)
 
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vavols24 said:
The Yankees have won in recent memory, the Cowboys have won at least a little in recent memory, mid to late 90's. When has Noter Dame won? I damn sure cant remember. When
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1988.

You must be correct; it is a lousy job. My analogy was terrible. After all, it isn't like those organizations went through prolonged droughts between championships at any point in their history waiting for the right leadership to bring them back to glory.
 
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Florida,Tennessee,Alabama,LSU,Southern Cal,Texas,Oklahoma,Ohio St.,Florida St., and Miami are all better jobs now. All have won National titles since the god almighty fighting irish.
 
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vavols24 said:
Florida,Tennessee,Alabama,LSU,Southern Cal,Texas,Oklahoma,Ohio St.,Florida St., and Miami are all better jobs now. All have won National titles since the god almighty fighting irish.
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If your only criterium for "better job" is "more recent national championship," I understand why we disagree. Please also add Nebraska, Michigan, Colorado, and Ga Tech to your list.
 
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Nothing to do with national championships, just better jobs in college football today. Lets add Va Tech,UCLA,and Oregon to the list as well. Every year Charlie Weiss has been there talks of him being fired have been mentioned. Who would want a job where you are constantly looking over your shoulder to see who wants you fired now? Thats why these other jobs are better. I think Weiss has done a pretty good job and if given time would probably win a national title, but he wont be given chance. Same thing happens to next coach no matter who it is.
 
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cotton said:
Notre Dame is still the college equivalent to the Yankees or the Cowboys. If you can think of 10 jobs better, your evaluation skills are different than mine.
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It's a good job, but I think you are overrating it. ND has donors willing to pay a lot to see ND succeed, but a lot of schools have that. More importantly, ND isn't in a recruiting hotbed, and they have higher academic standards than most other schools as well.
 
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cotton said:
Notre Dame is still the college equivalent to the Yankees or the Cowboys. If you can think of 10 jobs better, your evaluation skills are different than mine.

There is a reason Urban Meyer or Bob Stoops will give the opening serious consideration if the Pope calls. What other college job in the country would either of them seriously consider?


Looks a bit like splitting hairs, but it doesn't matter; "local talent" is still irrelevant. I've said my peace on the matter, and I'm tired of long posts.
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Nope, you just misinterpreted what I said.

No worries....now we've both said our peace.
 
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vavols24 said:
Nothing to do with national championships, just better jobs in college football today. Lets add Va Tech,UCLA,and Oregon to the list as well. Every year Charlie Weiss has been there talks of him being fired have been mentioned. Who would want a job where you are constantly looking over your shoulder to see who wants you fired now? Thats why these other jobs are better. I think Weiss has done a pretty good job and if given time would probably win a national title, but he wont be given chance. Same thing happens to next coach no matter who it is.
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tvolsfan said:
It's a good job, but I think you are overrating it. ND has donors willing to pay a lot to see ND succeed, but a lot of schools have that. More importantly, ND isn't in a recruiting hotbed, and they have higher academic standards than most other schools as well.
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It is high pressure, no doubt, but what job isn't? If Meyer goes 3-8, 6-6 in Gainesville, what do you think the atmosphere will be? It also has unique advantages that, for the type A personalities that populate football coaches, are going to far outweigh the negatives. I do not think I am overrating it. I place it among the top jobs in the country, on equal footing with about 5 others. None of the others, it should be noted, have a chance in hell of getting Bob Stoops or Urban Meyer to answer the phone if they call because the move would be lateral. ND might.

The academic standards are, IMO, the biggest negative from a potential coach's standpoint, but from the article, it seems that is being addressed. I believe the recruiting troubles are far, far overblown and recruiting is actually a positive.
 
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vavols24 said:
Nothing to do with national championships, just better jobs in college football today. Lets add Va Tech,UCLA,and Oregon to the list as well. Every year Charlie Weiss has been there talks of him being fired have been mentioned. Who would want a job where you are constantly looking over your shoulder to see who wants you fired now? Thats why these other jobs are better. I think Weiss has done a pretty good job and if given time would probably win a national title, but he wont be given chance. Same thing happens to next coach no matter who it is.
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Not only would Weis never win a national title, I'm not sure he'd ever beat USC. He has always been wildly overrated.
 
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First of all regarding the link: As tight-lipped as ND has been about the buyout provisions in Weis' contract, (which choose your side, is anywhere from 4-18 million dollars) its HIGHLY unlikely that level of detail would be made public to anyone who writes on a website.

Second, I don't see this being about the money, provisions, or facilities (No doubt hes in the drivers seat on all three) as much as the challenge. The opportunity to be a 'savior' of ND football will give Meyer pause for a certainty.

Third, he can win where ever he goes. His recruiting bases AND ability to draw the talent are excellent. He's kept pipelines open in the northeast. We touched on this a few months ago: Vols Last Shot at Meyer in the Swamp

Finally, there's no where to go but up at ND. Maintaining the level he's achieved at Florida can be argued to be a harder road. I hope he stays so Tennessee gets some payback. But its won't be a surprise if he goes
 
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VolsNaughtyDogs said:
Finally, there's no where to go but up at ND. Maintaining the level he's achieved at Florida can be argued to be a harder road. I hope he stays so Tennessee gets some payback. But its won't be a surprise if he goes
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I hope he leaves and we destroy ND in the BCS title game in a few years. That and I hope for Florida to take the same road to mediocrity that ND took previously.
 
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Mr. Two Bits said:
Brilliant. Notre Dame already does that.
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Meyer already does that too.

Joshua Shaw just committed, and the rumor is the stud DE Powell from California is leaning towards UF.

A quick glance at UF's depth chart and you'll find key contributors from all over the map.

Hernandez - Connecticut
Haden - Maryland
Dunlap - South Carolina
Moody - Texas
Trattou - New Jersey
Will Hill - New Jersey
Spikes - North Carolina
Carl Johnson - North Carolina

If you want to include Georgia go ahead and add Cunningham, Hunter, Marsh and punter Chas Henry. And don't forget Percy Harvin was from Virginia.

Meyer is a proven national recruiter, who has the luxury of cherry picking top talent across the nation to go along with all the high school talent here in Florida.
 
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To sustain a championship program at Florida, you have to stay ahead of LSU, Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia, etc. To sustain a championship-level program at Notre Dame, you have to stay ahead of Michigan State and Navy. It's like being Florida State in the ACC during the 90s.

Notre Dame should be an attractive job right now. USC's dynasty appears to be crumbling and Michigan is a mess, so if a great coach can go in and right the ship quickly, he'd have a straight shot right to the BCS title game. Weis has supposedly recruited well, so the talent for a quick turnaround ought to be there.

No question that Florida is an easier job on a personal level; you get to sleep in your own bed at night and the weather's a lot nicer. But there's also no doubt that there's a glamour and allure about the Domers that nobody else can match. Win in Gainesville or Norman and you're the most popular guy in the state, but win in South Bend and college football starts naming awards after you. It's easy to see why it would be tempting.

(I hope Meyer stays. I want him to stay because it's comfortable in Florida. I want him to grow old, soak in the quality of life, and retire there.)
 
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