NPR Axes Juan Williams for Muslim comment

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lawgator1 said:
Its just that frequently they tout the GOP or TP line and dress it up as news, which is annoying.
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Welcome to our world. The MSM led my the NYT, WP, ABC, NBC, CBS, LAT, AJC, AP, Reuters, and CNN has been touting the Dem or liberal line for decades and dressing it up as news. It is "annoying" to you to have the news approached from a right of center perspective on a single network and talk radio for what?... maybe 20 years?

Add to this the slant in textbooks... and it REALLY gets annoying.
I think this is why Glenn Beck is getting some sideways glances even from the stalwarts at Fox. Hannity sticks to the GOP script. Beck oftentimes seems to be ready to tell people to drink some special Kool-aid and lie down for a dirt nap so as to not have to live through "what's coming.".
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That is an absolutely STUPID statement even coming from you. Do you know why liberals en masse are not daily challenging the history Beck discusses? They can't. It is backed by references and often first hand documents.

His spin on it is clearly libertarian... but oddly enough, this was a libertarian country up to the late 1800's/early 1900's. Libertarianism was enshrined in our Constitution that Progressives have spent the last 100 years trampling.
 
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FWIW, I was exposed to much of the history that Beck discusses long before he came on the scene.
 
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VolBurgers said:
Why? Because I don't have nightmares about angry mooslems? :eek:lol:

Stereotyping always turns out well on the radio. Just ask Don Imus.
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Dudes being honest. I very much doubt he's the first person to see someone in muslin garb and have a part of his brain wonder if that person is a terrorist. He goes in great detail to explain why his feelings were wrong and why we shouldn't act on them if you actually watched the clip btw.
 
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droski said:
I very much doubt he's the first person to see someone in muslin garb and have a part of his brain wonder if that person is a terrorist. .
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What's your point? Think Don Imus was the first person to rag on black peoples hair? Doesn't make his comments any less stereotypical.

And just to be clear, I think is comments are more stupid than they are offensive.
 
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sjt18 said:
Welcome to our world. The MSM led my the NYT, WP, ABC, NBC, CBS, LAT, AJC, AP, Reuters, and CNN has been touting the Dem or liberal line for decades and dressing it up as news. It is "annoying" to you to have the news approached from a right of center perspective on a single network and talk radio for what?... maybe 20 years?

Add to this the slant in textbooks... and it REALLY gets annoying.


That is an absolutely STUPID statement even coming from you. Do you know why liberals en masse are not daily challenging the history Beck discusses? They can't. It is backed by references and often first hand documents.

His spin on it is clearly libertarian... but oddly enough, this was a libertarian country up to the late 1800's/early 1900's. Libertarianism was enshrined in our Constitution that Progressives have spent the last 100 years trampling.
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Do you hate the victims' families of 9/11 too? Or was this just another "MSM fabrication?"
 
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VolBurgers said:
Are any of you guys actually going to discuss what he said? If I was NPR, I would have fired him for being just plain stupid.
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Nothing wrong with what he said in context and if we can't have a discussion about the issue without one side having a hissy fit resulting in contract terminations, screaming and/or leaving the room then things are worse than I thought in this country.
 
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VolBurgers said:
Guessing you've never watched MSNBC? That's fine. Go to youtube and type "Glenn Beck."
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List your objections to his accurate use of history.

I seldom watch MSNBC... they DO play very fast and loose with the facts. They also engage in a typical liberal method that is very dishonest. They strip things of their context so they can create strawmen that are easily burned down.

Since pretty much anyone can post anything on youtube... I'm not sure that is a great source either for direct, objective rebuttal.
 
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I'm not sure what the problem is? Does no one think what he says is bigoted, or do you think not allowing bigotry to be promoted is somehow bigotry?
 
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Ed12111 said:
I'm not sure what the problem is? Does no one think what he says is bigoted, or do you think not allowing bigotry to be promoted is somehow bigotry?
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Who? JW?

Say you are walking alone down a dark street. You see to figures approaching. Would your initial reaction be any different if it were 2 guys dressed like the Black Panthers outside the polling place or 2 little old ladies? Honestly, would your instincts and first reaction be identical regardless?

JW was saying what he feels in a particular instant. He went on to say upon reflection he knows the people aren't a threat and is against profiling, etc.

If anytime someone makes a snap immediate judgement about someone based on some observable trait that person is labeled a bigot then we all have some guilt and the notion of bigotry is rendered so commonplace as to be meaningless.

You and VBurger drew conclusions about me in another thread on the assumption that I was a libertarian. That very act involves making generalized attributions to libertarians then imposing those attributes onto me without knowing a thing about me. To make matters worse, you drew conclusions about me based on a false belief about some political philosophy that I held - I am not a libertarian. That is as bigoted as what JW said. It's just that generalizing about Libertarians is not "wrong" but doing so about Muslims is.
 
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volinbham said:
Who? JW?

Say you are walking alone down a dark street. You see to figures approaching. Would your initial reaction be any different if it were 2 guys dressed like the Black Panthers outside the polling place or 2 little old ladies? Honestly, would your instincts and first reaction be identical regardless?

JW was saying what he feels in a particular instant. He went on to say upon reflection he knows the people aren't a threat and is against profiling, etc.

If anytime someone makes a snap immediate judgement about someone based on some observable trait that person is labeled a bigot then we all have some guilt and the notion of bigotry is rendered so commonplace as to be meaningless.

You and VBurger drew conclusions about me in another thread on the assumption that I was a libertarian. That very act involves making generalized attributions to libertarians then imposing those attributes onto me without knowing a thing about me. To make matters worse, you drew conclusions about me based on a false belief about some political philosophy that I held - I am not a libertarian. That is as bigoted as what JW said. It's just that generalizing about Libertarians is not "wrong" but doing so about Muslims is.
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So then you don't think it was a bigoted statement.
I just wonder how some people would feel if he said "look I'm not a bigot, but when I find out my kids' teacher is a Christian, when you see their crucifix and know they identify first and foremost as a Christian I get worried."
 
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Ed12111 said:
So then you don't think it was a bigoted statement.
I just wonder how some people would feel if he said "look I'm not a bigot, but when I find out my kids' teacher is a Christian, when you see their crucifix and know they identify first and foremost as a Christian I get worried."
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I think we are pussified by political correctness. You should be able to tastefully tell the teacher not to indoctrinate your kids. I don't see anything wrong with that.
 
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Ed12111 said:
So then you don't think it was a bigoted statement.
I just wonder how some people would feel if he said "look I'm not a bigot, but when I find out my kids' teacher is a Christian, when you see their crucifix and know they identify first and foremost as a Christian I get worried."
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I don't think it was bigoted.

In your example if the feeling is a quick, initial reaction that is then tempered with the knowledge that being a Christian in an of itself is not a problem then I don't see a problem (this is what JW did).

What about the scenario I presented? Would your initial reaction be any different on that dark street? If so, are you a bigot?
 
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Ed12111 said:
So then you don't think it was a bigoted statement.
I just wonder how some people would feel if he said "look I'm not a bigot, but when I find out my kids' teacher is a Christian, when you see their crucifix and know they identify first and foremost as a Christian I get worried."
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Because teachers wearing crucifixes have done so many acts of terror. I wouldn't think the person a bigot at all, I would say they qualified as an idiot.
 
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Ed12111 said:
So then you don't think it was a bigoted statement.
I just wonder how some people would feel if he said "look I'm not a bigot, but when I find out my kids' teacher is a Christian, when you see their crucifix and know they identify first and foremost as a Christian I get worried."
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there are plenty of people who do that already. There are posters here in VN that are so anti-religious it borders on paranoia. In fact, there are plenty of people on the left who view Christians as backwards anachronisms.
 
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MG1968 said:
there are plenty of people who do that already. There are posters here in VN that are so anti-religious it borders on paranoia. In fact, there are plenty of people on the left who view Christians as backwards anachronisms.
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Are they justified? You seem to be pretty upset. Why wouldn't Muslims be upset if they're being stereotyped?
 
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volinbham said:
I don't think it was bigoted.

In your example if the feeling is a quick, initial reaction that is then tempered with the knowledge that being a Christian in an of itself is not a problem then I don't see a problem (this is what JW did).

What about the scenario I presented? Would your initial reaction be any different on that dark street? If so, are you a bigot?
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I hear what you're saying, but there's a difference between snap judgements our brain makes and saying these things to a national audience. Our brain is hardwired to make snap judgements, but these often aren't correct. A man speaking on behalf of NPR shouldn't give credence to these biases against Muslims IMO.
 
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Ed12111 said:
Are they justified? You seem to be pretty upset. Why wouldn't Muslims be upset if they're being stereotyped?
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Yeah...MG is all tore up about it....

That is just it. Doesn't matter if it is justified or not. Fact is to a reasonable person it has no ill effect whatsoever.
 
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Ed12111 said:
Are they justified? You seem to be pretty upset. Why wouldn't Muslims be upset if they're being stereotyped?
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Muslims aren't helping their cause by being so thin-skinned. They don't help themselves by issuing death threats against critics. They don't help themselves by apologizing for jihadists.
 
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Ed12111 said:
I hear what you're saying, but there's a difference between snap judgements our brain makes and saying these things to a national audience. Our brain is hardwired to make snap judgements, but these often aren't correct. A man speaking on behalf of NPR shouldn't give credence to these biases against Muslims IMO.
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He stated an honest feeling he gets then went on to say what the initial reaction is unfounded and shouldn't be used to take discriminatory actions.

For that he was canned and labeled a bigot. I see a lot wrong with that most particularly the unwillingness of many to even discuss issues they deem too sensitive. Instead, a power accusation (bigot) is used to stifle discussion.
 
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also, when you consider what Nina Totenburg said about Jesse Helms, what Williams said was mild. Nina is still employed by NPR.
 
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