Number of games we get blown out.

[Rockytoptalker]

You are free to be as ignorant as you like. I am perfectly satisfied with that... but if I wish to answer your ignorance then you'll just have to live with it or ignore it. Again, I am fine with either.

See, that's not even a full paragraph! You're finally starting to learn.

By the way, your post was ignorant.

 

[sjt18]

See, that's not even a full paragraph! You're finally starting to learn.

It doesn't take much effort or many words to answer you... and that is NOT a compliment.

 

[Rockytoptalker]

It doesn't take much effort or many words to answer you... and that is NOT a compliment.

In other words you can't answer my question.

 

[sjt18]

In other words you can't answer my question.

I have answered your questions. You have even admitted in the last few posts that you have chosen not to read them. If that's what you do and you are plain about it... then there's no reason to answer you again.

If you want my answer then go back and suffer through previous responses. You are just too determined in your ignorance to justify any more effort until you do that.

 

[Rockytoptalker]

I have answered your questions. You have even admitted in the last few posts that you have chosen not to read them. If that's what you do and you are plain about it... then there's no reason to answer you again.

If you want my answer then go back and suffer through previous responses. You are just too determined in your ignorance to justify any more effort until you do that.

No you haven't. I asked you to go into detail about what talent on our roster (meaning which players) you believe did not fulfill their true potential due to your belief that the coaching staff did not get everything out of them they could.

You keep calling me ignorant, but you've yet to give me anything close to an actual, in-depth response.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

No you haven't. I asked you to go into detail about what talent on our roster (meaning which players) you believe did not fulfill their true potential due to your belief that the coaching staff did not get everything out of them they could.

You keep calling me ignorant, but you've yet to give me anything close to an actual, in-depth response.

You're wasting your time. With sjt its all about the coaches failures. Because CBJ didn't do as well as Malzahan, he is not very good.

He talks about a coach is supposed to have his players coached up but fails to realize the situation. Worley was the starter, Peterman the back up, RF was third string and Dobbs was 4th string (assumed). So I guess CBJ is supposed to have every QB ready to roll at any given moment.

He totally dismisses the schedule last year. It doesn't matter that it was UT's most difficult schedule in history. It doesn't matter that we were the first team in 20 years to play 7 ranked teams in the same season. He tries to say his posts are constructive but they are just filled with idiotic CBJ hate.

 

[Rockytoptalker]

You're wasting your time. With sjt its all about the coaches failures. Because CBJ didn't do as well as Malzahan, he is not very good.

He talks about a coach is supposed to have his players coached up but fails to realize the situation. Worley was the starter, Peterman the back up, RF was third string and Dobbs was 4th string (assumed). So I guess CBJ is supposed to have every QB ready to roll at any given moment.

He totally dismisses the schedule last year. It doesn't matter that it was UT's most difficult schedule in history. It doesn't matter that we were the first team in 20 years to play 7 ranked teams in the same season. He tries to say his posts are constructive but they are just filled with idiotic CBJ hate.

I've noticed. Some people blame absolutely everything on the coaching staff. They act like the situation in which they were placed was perfect, and it's all their fault the team didn't do great this past season. Nevermind the cupboard was bare in the toughest conference in the nation.

 

[sjt18]

You're wasting your time. With sjt its all about the coaches failures. Because CBJ didn't do as well as Malzahan, he is not very good.

And with BOT you are wasting your time because he's determined to lie.

I have not said it is all about coaching failures. You lied.

I have not said Jones was not "good" only that he underperformed. You lied.

I have never compared the situation he inherited or the results to Malzahn. You lied again.

He talks about a coach is supposed to have his players coached up but fails to realize the situation. Worley was the starter, Peterman the back up, RF was third string and Dobbs was 4th string (assumed). So I guess CBJ is supposed to have every QB ready to roll at any given moment.

By the time Dobbs was called on, he had been the "co-back up" for weeks. That's what Jones called him... not me. In fact, I believe they said that he and Ferguson were splitting the back up reps.

If the coach calls a kid the "back up" then yes... he's supposed to be getting him ready to play should the starter go down.

He totally dismisses the schedule last year.

Where? There's another lie. It was a very difficult schedule. That isn't what kept UT from being more competitive or kept the coaches from getting more out of the roster.

It doesn't matter that it was UT's most difficult schedule in history.

Please give an OBJECTIVE proof of this. IIRC, UT played BOTH NC contenders AND a Petrino led Arkansas team in '11, right?

It was a very difficult schedule but UT doesn't exactly have wimpy schedules.

It doesn't matter that we were the first team in 20 years to play 7 ranked teams in the same season.

You only get there by counting UF as a ranked team... when they finished with only 4 wins.

He tries to say his posts are constructive but they are just filled with idiotic CBJ hate.

Perhaps the biggest, most ignorant lie of all. I don't hate the guy. I would LOVE for him to succeed. But I won't look at the Vandy loss, 4 blowouts, USA "win", UF loss... and say that those results are consistent with him being an elite coach. They aren't.

 

[thebjd]

UT needs a new coach and to move it's university to Louisiana, Florida, Texas, or Alabama to compete consistently. There just isn't enough talent to pull from anymore. This year's recruiting class, with lots of Tennessee talent, was an anomaly, and we cannot count on this happening every year.

Tennessee produces more players than Oklahoma, Nebraska, South Carolina(two top ten teams), Missouri, Oregon, etc. We have a national brand and have won for 100 years with our "disadvantages". I hear people whine about this and want to puke. Kiffin started this crap argument and Dooley kept it going. It is a myth. There is enough talent in Georgia, North Carolina and Virginia to offset any disadvantage in "in-state" talent and our history proves that is the case. The two winningest teams in the SEC are not in Texas, Florida or Georgia.

 

[thebjd]

Is there a reason you can't make an argument without this kind of non-sense? My "brightness" is just fine in spite of looking at the FACTS and disagreeing with you.

No. I admit I don't read and commit to memory everything you right (LOL "write"). I do however READ the posts I respond to. You IN THIS THREAD have tried to deflect responsibility from the coaches by making it about Dooley. Any comparison TO Dooley is a comparison to failure, not success. It is NOT an attempt to justify Dooley but rather to be honest about what failure looks like. But I guess your selective reading comprehension can't grasp that, huh?



It is a coach's responsibility to have his back ups ready to play. UT's grand DC was smoked by a back up at UF, remember? Mawk was a back up. Vandy played a back up iirc. UGA dug deep into their depth chart to find enough to beat UT.

LOTS of teams have to go to back ups. It isn't some kind of unreasonable expectation that the coaches should have back ups ready to play. Jones REPEATEDLY said that Dobbs and Ferguson were about level pegging and "co-back ups".

Now to be completely fair, Jones DID say that neither was ready to play. That in spite of the certainty here that both were better than Worley. The OC however said that both WERE ready to play. He serves as the QB coach as well, right? He did NOT have Dobbs ready.

Shockingly, we had a freshman QB come in and play like a freshman. Dobbs had flashes but too much was required of him.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

And with BOT you are wasting your time because he's determined to lie.

I have not said it is all about coaching failures. You lied.

I have not said Jones was not "good" only that he underperformed. You lied.

I have never compared the situation he inherited or the results to Malzahn. You lied again.

By the time Dobbs was called on, he had been the "co-back up" for weeks. That's what Jones called him... not me. In fact, I believe they said that he and Ferguson were splitting the back up reps.

If the coach calls a kid the "back up" then yes... he's supposed to be getting him ready to play should the starter go down.

Where? There's another lie. It was a very difficult schedule. That isn't what kept UT from being more competitive or kept the coaches from getting more out of the roster.

Please give an OBJECTIVE proof of this. IIRC, UT played BOTH NC contenders AND a Petrino led Arkansas team in '11, right?

It was a very difficult schedule but UT doesn't exactly have wimpy schedules.

You only get there by counting UF as a ranked team... when they finished with only 4 wins.



Perhaps the biggest, most ignorant lie of all. I don't hate the guy. I would LOVE for him to succeed. But I won't look at the Vandy loss, 4 blowouts, USA "win", UF loss... and say that those results are consistent with him being an elite coach. They aren't.

Could you please give a little more detail?







Oh, I'm going to need you to do that without using words, please.
Words hurt.

 

[rcvol]

Tennessee produces more players than Oklahoma, Nebraska, South Carolina(two top ten teams), Missouri, Oregon, etc. We have a national brand and have won for 100 years with our "disadvantages". I hear people whine about this and want to puke. Kiffin started this crap argument and Dooley kept it going. It is a myth. There is enough talent in Georgia, North Carolina and Virginia to offset any disadvantage in "in-state" talent and our history proves that is the case. The two winningest teams in the SEC are not in Texas, Florida or Georgia.

Have you watched UT football in the past decade. The facts don't support your contention. Sure, we USED to be good, but we can't recruit nationally as well anymore. Oregon, while a good PAC 12 team, is not all that great, so that's also a bad example. Also, I never said we will never have good seasons. We just won't have consistently good seasons like we used to. Look for the occasional 10 win season mixed in with a lot of 7 and 8 win seasons going forward. Meanwhile, LSU and Bama just reload due to the in-state talent they have now locked down. Also, Florida will continue to beat us for this same reason. The glory days are over champ.
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[Rockytoptalker]

Could you please give a little more detail?







Oh, I'm going to need you to do that without using words, please.
Words hurt.

Have you had any run-ins with the law lately?

 

[rcvol]

Have you watched UT football in the past decade. The facts don't support your contention. Sure, we USED to be good, but we can't recruit nationally as well anymore. Oregon, while a good PAC 12 team, is not all that great, so that's also a bad example. Also, I never said we will never have good seasons. We just won't have consistently good seasons like we used to. Look for the occasional 10 win season mixed in with a lot of 7 and 8 win seasons going forward. Meanwhile, LSU and Bama just reload due to the in-state talent they have now locked down. Also, Florida will continue to beat us for this same reason. The glory days are over champ.
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And by the way, almost every SEC team is a national brand now and are recruiting all over. We used to have a monopoly on this phenomenon, but sadly no longer.
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[1982Alum]

With the secondary and QB play we had last year, I think it could occur quite easily 4 times next year. The QB play MAY get better this year due to the players all having a year more under their belts but the secondary was awful and freshman will not make us any better next year back there. Playing freshman will make us no better than in 2013.

 

[thebjd]

And by the way, almost every SEC team is a national brand now and are recruiting all over. We used to have a monopoly on this phenomenon, but sadly no longer.
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The highest ranked teams in the SEC East at season's end last year was USCe and Missouri. Tennessee has more in state talent than they do. This is the fact. We have plenty to offer recruits and it showed last year. Own our state first and recruit nationally. We have the budget, facilities, tradition, conference prestige, and can even offer early playing time. I am not concerned with what we have to offer a recruit. It was never a monopoly.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

Have you had any run-ins with the law lately?

Still fighting "The Man" I see.

 

[LotteryPick]

And by the way, almost every SEC team is a national brand now and are recruiting all over. We used to have a monopoly on this phenomenon, but sadly no longer.
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Battered fan syndrome.

 

[feathersax]

Is this post really serious or are you trolling? It appears you're trolling, but I'll treat it seriously.

1. You have no idea what our QB situation looks like right now unless you actually believe another offseason in the film room, in the weight room, in the offensive system won't do 2 Elite 11 QBs any good. Or that another year in the offensive system won't do a senior QB, who most on here believe would've led us to a bowl game last had he not been injured, any good.

2. Offensive line last year was perhaps slightly above average but certainly underachieved, kinda like they've done at the NFL Combine, and shouldn't be too hard to replace, especially with an experienced RS Jr and the top JUCO LT in the country coming in. DL was absolutely horrible.... I actually think we'll be better there. How can we not be?

3. So you don't think any of the talented freshmen will play? Really? What about Hurd, Malone, Bates, Sawyers, Kelly, McDowell, Bryant and Gaulden? Then throw in JUCOs Pearson, Weatherd, Blair and Williams

4. Surely you kidding about the instate talent. Relatively speaking it's been better than ever! The 2014 class was historically good and 2015 and 2016 is expected to be even better according to recruiting experts- what are you looking at? Tennessee has leapfrogged

5. UT is recruiting nationally. We pulled players from California, Texas, Oklahoma, Illinois, Georgia, New Jersey, Florida, Alabama, North Carolina....

If you're gonna give a opinion at least make it even remotely informed.

BING!:good!:

 

[KBVol]

Have you watched UT football in the past decade. The facts don't support your contention. Sure, we USED to be good, but we can't recruit nationally as well anymore. Oregon, while a good PAC 12 team, is not all that great, so that's also a bad example. Also, I never said we will never have good seasons. We just won't have consistently good seasons like we used to. Look for the occasional 10 win season mixed in with a lot of 7 and 8 win seasons going forward. Meanwhile, LSU and Bama just reload due to the in-state talent they have now locked down. Also, Florida will continue to beat us for this same reason. The glory days are over champ.
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Define national. We just signed players from California, Texas, Oklahoma, Illinois, Ohio, New Jersey, DC, North Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Georgia......

 

[Boca Vol]

Define national. We just signed players from California, Texas, Oklahoma, Illinois, Ohio, New Jersey, DC, North Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Georgia......

No Maine or North Dakota? Weak list, imo!

 

[rcvol]

Define national. We just signed players from California, Texas, Oklahoma, Illinois, Ohio, New Jersey, DC, North Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Georgia......

My point is that we can't recruit nationally as well as we used to because everybody else has gotten in on the game. Sure, we still get guys from out of state, but so is everyone else. With our lack of consistent in-state talent, we will always struggle to get 9-10 wins, unlike Bama, LSU, and Florida, where it's almost automatic. UT is trending downward while the big 3 are still trending upward or remaining at the top. Florida will kick our asses again next year, and everyone is going to wonder why. I will tell you: in-state talent. Our glory days are over. We will be fighting it out with Missouri and Georgia for sloppy seconds for the most part. If you think I'm wrong, you must be ignoring the past 10 years of college football. If you think UT will get back to beating Bama 8 years in a row (with or without Saban), you are in fantasy land. Those days are over.

 

[smokey0625]

My point is that we can't recruit nationally as well as we used to because everybody else has gotten in on the game. Sure, we still get guys from out of state, but so is everyone else. With our lack of consistent in-state talent, we will always struggle to get 9-10 wins, unlike Bama, LSU, and Florida, where it's almost automatic. UT is trending downward while the big 3 are still trending upward or remaining at the top. Florida will kick our asses again next year, and everyone is going to wonder why. I will tell you: in-state talent. Our glory days are over. We will be fighting it out with Missouri and Georgia for sloppy seconds for the most part. If you think I'm wrong, you must be ignoring the past 10 years of college football. If you think UT will get back to beating Bama 8 years in a row (with or without Saban), you are in fantasy land. Those days are over.

Everything is cyclical. Also, our history with bammer is a series of streaks. Why would this change now. We will go on a run and they will be pitching a little fit like you my friend. One, don't dismiss history because you don't think it matters. Two, what goes up (Bammer's program), must come down (their winning ways).

 

[sjt18]

Shockingly, we had a freshman QB come in and play like a freshman. Dobbs had flashes but too much was required of him.

I would agree with that for the most part. We can discuss that distraction or we can discuss the primary cause for the blowouts- the defense and DC.

If a guy is out of position once then you blame the player. If he's out of position repeatedly then you have to look at the coach. If a guy just gets outrun then there's not a lot you can do about that. If a guy fails to recognize and react then that's something a coach can and should do alot about. If guys are getting physically dominated as they did at times then you need different players. But if guys are running themselves out of plays, giving up their lanes/leverage, and doing it over and over.... then you have to lay some of that blame on the coach.

It is not always easy to tell whether plays have been poorly executed or were called poorly. But the first is at least partly on the coaches and the last is completely on the DC.

People want to write the D performance off to a lack of talent and be done with it. Unfortunately, good DC's have done far more with far less.

I am on record having said many times that I think the O will be fine given time. I am not convinced at this point that Jancek is an SEC caliber DC.

 

[sjt18]

My point is that we can't recruit nationally as well as we used to because everybody else has gotten in on the game. Sure, we still get guys from out of state, but so is everyone else. With our lack of consistent in-state talent, we will always struggle to get 9-10 wins, unlike Bama, LSU, and Florida, where it's almost automatic. UT is trending downward while the big 3 are still trending upward or remaining at the top.

This is all subject to change. UT has resources and is an attractive destination. The key is beginning to get some wins and wins that matter... like UF, Bama, UGA, et al. That will keep recruits listening. People don't want to hear it here but if Jones goes 5-7 again this fall he will have a hard time keeping those national recruits interested in UT. They will go with the hot coach and hot program.

Bama does not have a whole lot more instate talent than UT if any... then they split it with Auburn. Granted there is only one Saban but they hired the right coach. Jones could be that guy for UT or it may be someone else. But there IS a staff out there that can make UT an elite program.

Florida will kick our asses again next year, and everyone is going to wonder why. I will tell you: in-state talent.

Ironclad predictions about future sporting events are dumb.

Our glory days are over. We will be fighting it out with Missouri and Georgia for sloppy seconds for the most part.

That's pathetic.

If you think I'm wrong, you must be ignoring the past 10 years of college football. If you think UT will get back to beating Bama 8 years in a row (with or without Saban), you are in fantasy land. Those days are over.

There was a time when a Bama fan might have said something similar about UT. Things change... always. And the past 10 years? We've seen teams with absolutely no instate talent like Oregon rise to national prominence. We've seen schools that were thought to have academic standards too high to achieve football success become national powerhouses like Stanford. We've seen 2nd or 3rd option schools within a state get in the NC talk- Baylor. We've seen Vandy become credible. We've seen an undermanned Mizzou team win the East.

At the same time, we have seen once powerhouses fade... like UT, ND, Miami, Texas, etc.

Things will change. Whether it cycles back to UT or not depends primarily on keeping the standard for the HC high and good timing. Right now... is GREAT timing if Jones can take advantage of it. The East is a jumbled mess waiting for someone to take over.