Number of games we get blown out.

[sjt18]

Are you seriously comparing the Candy team that Bray beat to this years? You should know better.

Talent wise? Yes. Coaching wise? No. Franklin was a far better game day coach than the guy he replaced.

 

[sjt18]

Yea the only thing Jones had to work with was a pretty good o-line. Other than that talent was lacking at virtually every other position.

OR... there was talent that was not coached well... especially on D. We should have been able to expect the D to return to a performance comparable to '11 under Wilcox. Instead it was the 2nd worst scoring D UT has had in at least 50 years. You can believe that is "all talent" if you like... but that would be VERY foolish.

 

[sjt18]

We lose by 25+ to Bama, Oklahoma and Missouri. We simply don't play quite as many high octane offenses this year. 5-7 if we are lucky. I'm mentally prepared for a loss to Utah State in the opener as well. Gonna be an ugly year.
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If UT loses to Mizzou by 25+ this year then Jones should be fired.

 

[sjt18]

Will be this way for a while. We have no decent QB in sight and our offensive and defensive lines will be even worse than last year's. Anyone who tells you we will be better next year knows nothing about football. Most of the freshmen in this class won't even play. My fear is that after we go 5-7 or 4-8 next year, the recruiting will cool down, and we will only achieve mid-tier status. Long-term, I don't see how Tennessee ever gets back to consistently winning due to how little talent we have in-state and how competitive national recruiting is now. UT used to be one of the FEW schools that could recruit nationally. Now, with social media, internet, etc., all schools are doing it, so we don't have that competitive advantage anymore. It sucks, but it's just the evolution of the game.

IOW's, UT needs the right coach.

 

[rcvol]

If UT loses to Mizzou by 25+ this year then Jones should be fired.

Matty Mauck will end up being a better quarterback than James Franklin. They have awesome receivers coming back. They will lose a lot on defense, but I don't see us stopping them from scoring 40. And I don't see our offense doing much against anyone.

 

[sonofUT62]

Talent wise? Yes. Coaching wise? No. Franklin was a far better game day coach than the guy he replaced.[/QUOTE

Vandy had more talent and was better coached than their 2010 team. That being said Franklin outcoached CBJ that night. I agree that the blowouts are frustrating. That's why you don't want to play freshman QBs in the SEC, especially on the road.

 

[Dave1967]

Matty Mauck will end up being a better quarterback than James Franklin. They have awesome receivers coming back. They will lose a lot on defense, but I don't see us stopping them from scoring 40. And I don't see our offense doing much against anyone.

I think Missouri will win 9-10 games. I don't think they will blow out Tennessee in Neyland.

 

[rcvol]

IOW's, UT needs the right coach.

UT needs a new coach and to move it's university to Louisiana, Florida, Texas, or Alabama to compete consistently. There just isn't enough talent to pull from anymore. This year's recruiting class, with lots of Tennessee talent, was an anomaly, and we cannot count on this happening every year.

 

[LotteryPick]

UT needs a new coach and to move it's university to Louisiana, Florida, Texas, or Alabama to compete consistently. There just isn't enough talent to pull from anymore. This year's recruiting class, with lots of Tennessee talent, was an anomaly, and we cannot count on this happening every year.

2015 and 2016 are looking like great years for HS talent, again. Are these also flukes, or is it a trend?

Hmmm.

 

[sjt18]

You aren't the brightest.

Is there a reason you can't make an argument without this kind of non-sense? My "brightness" is just fine in spite of looking at the FACTS and disagreeing with you.

I've never kept blame from the coaches. In fact, I hold them responsible for quite a bit, but your selective reading comprehension can't grasp that.

No. I admit I don't read and commit to memory everything you right (LOL "write"). I do however READ the posts I respond to. You IN THIS THREAD have tried to deflect responsibility from the coaches by making it about Dooley. Any comparison TO Dooley is a comparison to failure, not success. It is NOT an attempt to justify Dooley but rather to be honest about what failure looks like. But I guess your selective reading comprehension can't grasp that, huh?

Bray was ready and supposed to play. Dobbs was not ready and not supposed to play. Stop trying to make that God awful comparison justifiable when it's not.

It is a coach's responsibility to have his back ups ready to play. UT's grand DC was smoked by a back up at UF, remember? Mawk was a back up. Vandy played a back up iirc. UGA dug deep into their depth chart to find enough to beat UT.

LOTS of teams have to go to back ups. It isn't some kind of unreasonable expectation that the coaches should have back ups ready to play. Jones REPEATEDLY said that Dobbs and Ferguson were about level pegging and "co-back ups".

Now to be completely fair, Jones DID say that neither was ready to play. That in spite of the certainty here that both were better than Worley. The OC however said that both WERE ready to play. He serves as the QB coach as well, right? He did NOT have Dobbs ready.

 

[sonofUT62]

Matty Mauck will end up being a better quarterback than James Franklin. They have awesome receivers coming back. They will lose a lot on defense, but I don't see us stopping them from scoring 40. And I don't see our offense doing much against anyone.

You do understand that's why we went out and hired another coach correct? I'm not sure you get that point. Mizzou may have more talent than us, though the recruiting rankings from 11-13 would say otherwise. We went and hired a coach with a proven record of success after struggling in the first year. If you don't believe in that process then why are you here?

 

[sjt18]

2015 and 2016 are looking like great years for HS talent, again. Are these also flukes, or is it a trend?

Hmmm.

Probably a trend but UT will still need to win games to keep pulling in talent like they got this year. That is just a practical reality. Other teams have been raiding TN for players since at least the early 90's. Even Fulmer calculated that it was a better investment of time to develop out of state relationships. As a result, UT does not enjoy the homerism across HSFB that UGA and others do.

 

[Rockytoptalker]

OR... there was talent that was not coached well... especially on D. We should have been able to expect the D to return to a performance comparable to '11 under Wilcox. Instead it was the 2nd worst scoring D UT has had in at least 50 years. You can believe that is "all talent" if you like... but that would be VERY foolish.

What talent would that be? Please, do tell.

 

[rcvol]

2015 and 2016 are looking like great years for HS talent, again. Are these also flukes, or is it a trend?

Hmmm.

There may be a few good players in Tennessee, but for every one we have, LSU and Bama are getting 4 or 5 times as many in their back yards. We can't compete with that anymore. We used to steal recruits from Louisiana like crazy. But those states are locked down now. Also, local media usually over-exaggerates local talent. For example, a four star kid playing football in east Tennessee is more like a 2-3 star because the competition sucks.

 

[sonofUT62]

UT needs a new coach and to move it's university to Louisiana, Florida, Texas, or Alabama to compete consistently. There just isn't enough talent to pull from anymore. This year's recruiting class, with lots of Tennessee talent, was an anomaly, and we cannot count on this happening every year.

You're right, it's not like we're a top ten program of all time. We Should pick up and move. Please don't respond to the question I asked you in an earlier post. I didn't realize I was dealing with a total nut job.

 

[Catbone]

UGA,OK,and Bama will. The rest we will hang around but get beat by FL, USC, and Ole Miss. Escape with a win against Utah State and Vandy. Missouri will decide whether we make a bowl game or not. The others should be solid wins.

Remember this post. It shall be so.

 

[sjt18]

UT needs a new coach and to move it's university to Louisiana, Florida, Texas, or Alabama to compete consistently. There just isn't enough talent to pull from anymore. This year's recruiting class, with lots of Tennessee talent, was an anomaly, and we cannot count on this happening every year.

I disagree for a couple of reasons. One, TN HSFB does seem to be improving in part due to Nashville area football. UT has to own mid-TN and can only get entrenched by winning. Two, the right coach will prosper in ATL and Charlotte. ATL has always been critical to UT's success and will forever. Urban players are usually less prone to in-state homerism than those in smaller towns and cities. That might be even more true of ATL. Georgia is actually two states- inside the perimeter and outside the perimeter.

 

[rcvol]

You do understand that's why we went out and hired another coach correct? I'm not sure you get that point. Mizzou may have more talent than us, though the recruiting rankings from 11-13 would say otherwise. We went and hired a coach with a proven record of success after struggling in the first year. If you don't believe in that process then why are you here?

This ain't Cincinnati holmes. Recruits will start jumping like rats on a burning ship if we don't win at least 6 games next year, which we won't. If you think Butch is gonna win 10 games his second year like he did at Cincy you must be smoking something.

 

[Catbone]

UT needs a new coach and to move it's university to Louisiana, Florida, Texas, or Alabama to compete consistently. There just isn't enough talent to pull from anymore. This year's recruiting class, with lots of Tennessee talent, was an anomaly, and we cannot count on this happening every year.

Add Georgia and California to that list. Tennessee is a harder job than most being in the SEC and not having nearly as much talent as other states.

 

[LotteryPick]

Is there a reason you can't make an argument without this kind of non-sense? My "brightness" is just fine in spite of looking at the FACTS and disagreeing with you.

No. I admit I don't read and commit to memory everything you right. I do however READ the posts I respond to. You IN THIS THREAD have tried to deflect responsibility from the coaches by making it about Dooley. Any comparison TO Dooley is a comparison to failure, not success. It is NOT an attempt to justify Dooley but rather to be honest about what failure looks like. But I guess your selective reading comprehension can't grasp that, huh?



It is a coach's responsibility to have his back ups ready to play. UT's grand DC was smoked by a back up at UF, remember? Mawk was a back up. Vandy played a back up iirc. UGA dug deep into their depth chart to find enough to beat UT.

LOTS of teams have to go to back ups. It isn't some kind of unreasonable expectation that the coaches should have back ups ready to play. Jones REPEATEDLY said that Dobbs and Ferguson were about level pegging and "co-back ups".

Now to be completely fair, Jones DID say that neither was ready to play. That in spite of the certainty here that both were better than Worley. The OC however said that both WERE ready to play. He serves as the QB coach as well, right? He did NOT have Dobbs ready.

I'm not going to respond entirely to this novel because there are things I have to get up and go do.

However, the only reason I was bringing up dooley's situation, was because you initiated it.

I'm not "deflecting responsibility from the coaches." I'm speaking the truth. True Freshmen QB's should not be playing against teams like that and Dobbs proved why.

If he hasn't made progress next season, then we have a problem.

 

[sjt18]

What talent would that be? Please, do tell.

I'm really, really tired of regurgitating the same stuff. If you can't look at the roster for yourself and see athletic ability that was NOT maximized then I simply cannot help you and will not waste any more time trying.

 

[rcvol]

You're right, it's not like we're a top ten program of all time. We Should pick up and move. Please don't respond to the question I asked you in an earlier post. I didn't realize I was dealing with a total nut job.

Top ten program of all time and falling fast!! Once again, you are living in the past. Times have changed. I suggest you wake up.

 

[Dave1967]

UGA,OK,and Bama will. The rest we will hang around but get beat by FL, USC, and Ole Miss. Escape with a win against Utah State and Vandy. Missouri will decide whether we make a bowl game or not. The others should be solid wins.

Remember this post. It shall be so.

UGA will be weaker that usual in 2014,they will not blow out Tennessee. The UGA fans will want Richt gone when they slip to the 7-8 win range.

 

[sjt18]

This ain't Cincinnati holmes. Recruits will start jumping like rats on a burning ship if we don't win at least 6 games next year, which we won't. If you think Butch is gonna win 10 games his second year like he did at Cincy you must be smoking something.

I agree that recruiting will get very difficult without 6+ wins this fall. I however am not ready to write Jones off. I have criticized but there is a chance that his "process" will start to pay some dividends in minor ways this fall.

 

[sjt18]

BTW, EVERYONE in the East has roster and talent issues except for UGA... and they have coaching issues.

This is a season where there is TREMENDOUS opportunity for UT to take a step forward if Jones and his staff are the right ones for UT.