Number of games we get blown out.

[sjt18]

I'm not going to respond entirely to this novel because there are things I have to get up and go do.

However, the only reason I was bringing up dooley's situation, was because you initiated it.

Right. To demonstrate what "failure" looks like.

I'm not "deflecting responsibility from the coaches." I'm speaking the truth. True Freshmen QB's should not be playing against teams like that and Dobbs proved why.

Back ups should be ready to play after 12 weeks or so of practice. Manning, Stewart, Clausen, Suggs (iirc), Ainge, Schaeffer, et al started as Fr against "teams like that". The coaches managed them in ways that kept games from becoming blowouts.

If he hasn't made progress next season, then we have a problem.

No. Coaches coach. That's what they do. If they have poor talent, depth, et al... they coach. If they have a tough schedule... they coach. Coaches maximize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses. They find ways to keep their teams in games.

The SEC is not a conference where you learn OJT. You are either ready or you aren't. Cincy is the minor leagues... UT isn't.

 

[smokey0625]

We have nowhere near the talent level of Auburn.

Ok, we have similar talent to vandy. They haven't been blown out much. They worry more about competing than getting blown out. Regardless, what morons worry about getting blown out?

 

[sjt18]

Ok, we have similar talent to vandy. They haven't been blown out much. They worry more about competing than getting blown out. Regardless, what morons worry about getting blown out?

Hardly seems moronic when you just witnessed four blowouts in the same season for the first time in at least 50 years.... I don't think any of us really WANT to worry about getting blown out. We have little choice.

 

[sjt18]

FWIW, I also believe that Worley would have kept UT in the game vs Mizzou. Not as sure about Auburn. Dobbs actually played reasonably well against them with his legs keeping them off balance. It was an FCS level defensive and special teams effort that made that one a laugher.

 

[Rockytoptalker]

I'm really, really tired of regurgitating the same stuff. If you can't look at the roster for yourself and see athletic ability that was NOT maximized then I simply cannot help you and will not waste any more time trying.

Maybe if you didnt write a freaking novel every time you post I would have seen where you posted what you think. And quit dodging the question, just say what talent was not maximized.

 

[rcvol]

I agree that recruiting will get very difficult without 6+ wins this fall. I however am not ready to write Jones off. I have criticized but there is a chance that his "process" will start to pay some dividends in minor ways this fall.

We just need to cheat. Pay these guys under the table. Just do it intelligently--anonymous checks to players written on anonymous accounts. Jalen Hurd scores three touchdowns in a game? What do you know? he gets a check for $20,000 in the mail the very next week. The word will get out. Now that's recruiting nationally!!

 

[livefaith]

Slice and dice players, schedules, venues, weather, and voodoo dolls or whatever you want. The poster who is not yet convinced that Butch and staff basically had the worst season of blowouts in a long time at UT is accurate. His doubts about Jones & Co's ability to win on the field in the SEC are not without merit.

I personally am not convinced either. But, based on recruiting, general team & program morale, a fully mature year in the new system, and our coaches past on field success, I expect that they will be better in 2014 and will have much success in years to come.

But, I cannot dispute with him about the facts and his personal doubt. The numbers don't lie.

 

[LotteryPick]

Right. To demonstrate what "failure" looks like.

Back ups should be ready to play after 12 weeks or so of practice. Manning, Stewart, Clausen, Suggs (iirc), Ainge, Schaeffer, et al started as Fr against "teams like that". The coaches managed them in ways that kept games from becoming blowouts.

No. Coaches coach. That's what they do. If they have poor talent, depth, et al... they coach. If they have a tough schedule... they coach. Coaches maximize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses. They find ways to keep their teams in games.

The SEC is not a conference where you learn OJT. You are either ready or you aren't. Cincy is the minor leagues... UT isn't.

Your problem is you blame everything exclusively on coaching.

Most reasonable people would place our failures on a multitude of things. Some coaching, some lack of depth, etc. You don't.

 

[overseasorange]

We gone whip all they asses.

Have you ever thought about working as a comic.lol:

 

[rcvol]

Your problem is you blame everything exclusively on coaching.

Most reasonable people would place our failures on a multitude of things. Some coaching, some lack of depth, etc. You don't.

"Manning, Stewart, Clausen, Suggs (iirc), Ainge, Schaeffer, et al started as Fr against "teams like that"."

I'm pretty sure the defenses we had on those teams kept us in games, not the coaching...and certainly not Fulmer!!

 

[butchna]

Yeah. Anything you have to say to avoid having the coaches be responsible for preparing back ups to play, right?

Bray was coached up by Chaney. You are correct. Dobbs was not ready.



Nope. Not a perfect comparison by any stretch but the FACT is that one guy was coached up and ready to go in when his number was called. The other guy was not ready and played poorly in spite of showing some pretty obvious physical ability both throwing and running the ball.

I know you're going to dispute this with 20 paragraphs,but my point on this is simple...Bray was an EE who actually practiced before the Music City Bowl...he still wasn't ready until the South Carolina game as a true freshman...even with the extra practice and Chaney's svengali guruship...his first start was against air...withdrawn...Memphis High...and the schedule was light until they faced their bowl opponent...we saw a microcosm of COACHED UP Bray against UNC...pure throwing talent negated by immaturity (neck slash) and Chaney's tunnel vision playcalling....runrunpass- - ---------------------runpass------(if you want to take a break we'll be doing this for awhile)--------still passing---safe to run? Nah they're on to that.....and so forth...I don't subscribe to your anointment of Chaney...he wasn't horrible...he just seems to have problems calling a winning game...ask Arkansas fans if you respect outside opinions more...I'm going to clear some storage space so I can read your retort...:compute:
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[KBVol]

Will be this way for a while. We have no decent QB in sight and our offensive and defensive lines will be even worse than last year's. Anyone who tells you we will be better next year knows nothing about football. Most of the freshmen in this class won't even play. My fear is that after we go 5-7 or 4-8 next year, the recruiting will cool down, and we will only achieve mid-tier status. Long-term, I don't see how Tennessee ever gets back to consistently winning due to how little talent we have in-state and how competitive national recruiting is now. UT used to be one of the FEW schools that could recruit nationally. Now, with social media, internet, etc., all schools are doing it, so we don't have that competitive advantage anymore. It sucks, but it's just the evolution of the game.

Is this post really serious or are you trolling? It appears you're trolling, but I'll treat it seriously.

1. You have no idea what our QB situation looks like right now unless you actually believe another offseason in the film room, in the weight room, in the offensive system won't do 2 Elite 11 QBs any good. Or that another year in the offensive system won't do a senior QB, who most on here believe would've led us to a bowl game last had he not been injured, any good.

2. Offensive line last year was perhaps slightly above average but certainly underachieved, kinda like they've done at the NFL Combine, and shouldn't be too hard to replace, especially with an experienced RS Jr and the top JUCO LT in the country coming in. DL was absolutely horrible.... I actually think we'll be better there. How can we not be?

3. So you don't think any of the talented freshmen will play? Really? What about Hurd, Malone, Bates, Sawyers, Kelly, McDowell, Bryant and Gaulden? Then throw in JUCOs Pearson, Weatherd, Blair and Williams

4. Surely you kidding about the instate talent. Relatively speaking it's been better than ever! The 2014 class was historically good and 2015 and 2016 is expected to be even better according to recruiting experts- what are you looking at? Tennessee has leapfrogged

5. UT is recruiting nationally. We pulled players from California, Texas, Oklahoma, Illinois, Georgia, New Jersey, Florida, Alabama, North Carolina....

If you're gonna give a opinion at least make it even remotely informed.

 

[sjt18]

Your problem is you blame everything exclusively on coaching.

WHAT????? Don't you read my posts? lol:

That is actually very, very untrue. I have repeatedly acknowledged that the '13 roster had holes and deficiencies and that the upcoming roster would have issues due to youth and inexperience if not a lack of talent.

But "great" coaching should be worth a game or two per year, right? I mean if you are going to only expect a coach to win the ones they should win minus one here plus one there... then we're not looking for the same thing. I want to see orange championships... not annual visits to the Music City Bowl.

Most reasonable people would place our failures on a multitude of things. Some coaching, some lack of depth, etc. You don't.

Ummm. Yes. I do. And since there are fewer of us taking the more skeptical approach than those of you taking the rosy approach... you should have a better chance of KNOWING that is my position.


My mistake is arguing with folks like you on your turf. Guys like you try to rationalize that 5 wins last year or this year aren't really underperformances with the roster... that they "meet expectations". I argue that they don't meet expectations. But NEITHER of those answers make these coaches the ones UT needs to win championships. They don't need below average or average. The Vols need ELITE coaches.

NOTHING about the coaching performance last fall says "elite".

 

[sjt18]

I know you're going to dispute this with 20 paragraphs,but my point on this is simple...Bray was an EE who actually practiced before the Music City Bowl...he still wasn't ready until the South Carolina game as a true freshman...even with the extra practice and Chaney's svengali guruship...his first start was against air...withdrawn...Memphis High...and the schedule was light until they faced their bowl opponent...we saw a microcosm of COACHED UP Bray against UNC...pure throwing talent negated by immaturity (neck slash) and Chaney's tunnel vision playcalling....runrunpass- - ---------------------runpass------(if you want to take a break we'll be doing this for awhile)--------still passing---safe to run? Nah they're on to that.....and so forth...I don't subscribe to your anointment of Chaney...he wasn't horrible...he just seems to have problems calling a winning game...ask Arkansas fans if you respect outside opinions more...I'm going to clear some storage space so I can read your retort...:compute:
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A coach's job is to have his back ups ready. Succinct enough?

 

[sjt18]

"Manning, Stewart, Clausen, Suggs (iirc), Ainge, Schaeffer, et al started as Fr against "teams like that"."

I'm pretty sure the defenses we had on those teams kept us in games, not the coaching...and certainly not Fulmer!!

THat was actually my comment and D's don't play well aside from good coaching. Fact is... the '13 D/DC did NOT keep UT in games.

 

[sjt18]

Maybe if you didnt write a freaking novel every time you post I would have seen where you posted what you think. And quit dodging the question, just say what talent was not maximized.

So... in one breath you say "don't answer the question" and in the next you accuse me of "dodging the question"?

My posts are searchable. I'm not wasting my time on someone who will not consider or perhaps even read what I spend time researching and writing.

I will just sum up. If you want to be ignorant then have at it. Talent WAS part of the problem in '13 but not nearly to the extent that so many of you want to believe. The coaching was average to poor except for UGA and USCe.

 

[smokey0625]

Hardly seems moronic when you just witnessed four blowouts in the same season for the first time in at least 50 years.... I don't think any of us really WANT to worry about getting blown out. We have little choice.

You don't have a choice? Pretty stupid thing to say. We always have a choice. No need to worry about something as dumb as this topic. Injuries, suspensions, and other things can and will happen to change the outlook come game day. Why worry about an outcome when so much can happen?

 

[LotteryPick]

WHAT????? Don't you read my posts? lol:

Not anymore. It's all the same thing.

But "great" coaching should be worth a game or two per year, right?

Like USCe? Not saying last year was a great coaching job, but I mean, those are the types of wins we're talking?

 

[Volfan2012]

This is my measure for improvement, last year we were out of the game by the 3rd quarter against bama, auburn, Oregon, and mizzou. I say we cut that in half and we can hold it to 2.

I think we can stay in every game this year. We will score a lot more points and that will mean even if we give up a lot we'll still be in the game.

 

[MFL]

just 2

 

[Rockytoptalker]

So... in one breath you say "don't answer the question" and in the next you accuse me of "dodging the question"?

My posts are searchable. I'm not wasting my time on someone who will not consider or perhaps even read what I spend time researching and writing.

I will just sum up. If you want to be ignorant then have at it. Talent WAS part of the problem in '13 but not nearly to the extent that so many of you want to believe. The coaching was average to poor except for UGA and USCe.

Are you capable of actually going into detail or are long, summarized responses all you can muster?

 

[sjt18]

Are you capable of actually going into detail or are long, summarized responses all you can muster?

I have gone into detail. You complain I write too long. I attempt to summarize and you complain that I don't provide enough detail.

If you really cannot see that there was untapped potential left by THIS STAFF in the '13 roster then I am simply not willing to spoon feed you... again. It is a waste of time.

 

[Rockytoptalker]

I have gone into detail. You complain I write too long. I attempt to summarize and you complain that I don't provide enough detail.

If you really cannot see that there was untapped potential left by THIS STAFF in the '13 roster then I am simply not willing to spoon feed you... again. It is a waste of time.

First off I said I'm not reading through all the previous books you have written in response to other posters. You write so much so often I only assumed you enjoyed it, oh well. At least I got you to stop writing so much then.

 

[sjt18]

Not anymore. It's all the same thing.

Then you should have known very well that I have acknowledged that there were roster issues many, many times... or are you guilty of the selective reading you accused me falsely of?

Like USCe? Not saying last year was a great coaching job, but I mean, those are the types of wins we're talking?

That was a very good job. So was UGA. But "balancing" out good games with bad still equals average... and they don't even balance out.

USA was closer than it should have been. Their OC abused Jancek.

We've talked about the 4 completely uncompetitive blowouts.

We now know that UF was a bad loss in which a now former OC twisted Jancek into knots with a back up QB.

Vandy was a bad loss.

Best case you have two "good" coaching performances, 7 bad ones, then "meets expectations" performances vs WKU, UK, and Austin Peay.

No matter how good they recruit, they MUST coach better than that.

 

[sjt18]

First off I said I'm not reading through all the previous books you have written in response to other posters. You write so much so often I only assumed you enjoyed it, oh well. At least I got you to stop writing so much then.

You are free to be as ignorant as you like. I am perfectly satisfied with that... but if I wish to answer your ignorance then you'll just have to live with it or ignore it. Again, I am fine with either.