NV: Shooting in Auburn

Prayers are with the Auburn family today, when will cowardly acts of violence stop? This world we live in today people don't care about one another like they used to.. Sad sad sad.

It isn't really new. Humans are violent creatures. This type of behavior, 100% inexcusable, goes way back.

I recall in college I had a professor who claimed that rats and humans are the only animals that kill each other without a survival related objective. He claimed that even when there is no ethnic, regional, food or water availability issues, humans search for a reason to commit violent acts. Thus conflicts where religion, inter- and intra-familial, and other contrived basis result in killings that ranges from individual battles to wholesale international wars.

I thought him a nitwit and said so. My punishment was to research the basis of human conflicts from prehistoric to modern times with a focus on strife not related to survival pressures. I was forced to conclude he was correct.

The last item I recall from those years ago was a guy killing another for a pair of expensive shoes the victim wore. Some stuff I read was like a 1960's Twilight Zone TV show. Motivations ranged from pride, greed, presumptions of all types, hearsay, and a lust for cruelty. For me it was quite sobering. As a matter of fact, being a belated fan of the original Twilight Zone, I'm struck by how some episodes parallel what my professor had me research. Indeed, those shows often seemed to be trying to teach people about how imbecilic our behavior often is. As usual, no one listened.
 
You're probably right

Mark Cuban or Bill Gates is hanging in Auburn Alabama in the Auburn apartments. Got mad cause someone dissed the Mavaricks or Microsoft Windows 8 and started busting caps

Don't be so snide. stars do fall. Some of the worst behavior often goes unseen until some politician, movie star, cop, doctor, coach, and yes CEO slips up and it gets reported. Some of these "models of good upbringing" are real dicks.
 
Sadly, no one can get their a$$ whipped without becoming "tough" and pulling a gun. I'm not against guns, I'm against these punk thugs who think they're men because they have a gun. If someone broke into your house and threatened you or your family and you shoot them, fine by me. If they approach you in public to argue about a girl and you punch them and have them to respond by shooting you and INNOCENT bystandards, they are cowards.

Working at a college and seeing these kids thought process nowadays, I really fear for their future and ours.

My thoughts are with the families of the victims.
 
It isn't really new. Humans are violent creatures. This type of behavior, 100% inexcusable, goes way back.

I recall in college I had a professor who claimed that rats and humans are the only animals that kill each other without a survival related objective. He claimed that even when there is no ethnic, regional, food or water availability issues, humans search for a reason to commit violent acts. Thus conflicts where religion, inter- and intra-familial, and other contrived basis result in killings that ranges from individual battles to wholesale international wars.

I thought him a nitwit and said so. My punishment was to research the basis of human conflicts from prehistoric to modern times with a focus on strife not related to survival pressures. I was forced to conclude he was correct.

The last item I recall from those years ago was a guy killing another for a pair of expensive shoes the victim wore. Some stuff I read was like a 1960's Twilight Zone TV show. Motivations ranged from pride, greed, presumptions of all types, hearsay, and a lust for cruelty. For me it was quite sobering. As a matter of fact, being a belated fan of the original Twilight Zone, I'm struck by how some episodes parallel what my professor had me research. Indeed, those shows often seemed to be trying to teach people about how imbecilic our behavior often is. As usual, no one listened.

Chimpanzees.
 
Chimpanzees.

You're correct according to recent findings. chimps target certain individuals and gang attack them. So far no motivation has been identified for this behavior which is very much like the gang behavior of humans.

When I did my research this wasn't known at the time, hadn't been observed by Euro-ethnic scientist or any scientist so I'm told.
 
"Handguns are made for killin, They aint no good for nothin else. And if you like to drink your whiskey, you might even a shot yourself" Ronnie Van Zant.

Its simple, rifles should be legal, handguns should not. They dont serve a purpose, other than killing.

Really?? Maybe we can use this logic to exonerate us.

Thanks
-Lee Malvo & Lee Harvey Oswald
 
Really?? Maybe we can use this logic to exonerate us.

Thanks
-Lee Malvo & Lee Harvey Oswald

I wasnt saying rifles havent been used for senseless killing. But at least they can serve a useful purpose.

Hell, a person could use a bow and arrow to kill someone if they wanted. It would be much harder though. Thats the point.
 
It'll work fine for me. I have plenty of rifles at home for protection. Sorry, i dont pet and dry hump handguns like some do.

I love how people get a new handgun and theyre like "check out this badboy. This thing is freakin tough, its badass....blah blah blah." Im like uh, no its not.

You miss the point; banning them won't keep handguns from being used.
 
So you admit your position is stupid?
Im well aware its a complicated issue. An issue with no easy solutions. But outlawing handguns is a start. I would be all for some sort of permit process. Also, this thread got me thinking earlier, maybe the best solution would be to stop or reduce the production handgun ammunition. The gun isnt as dangerous without bullets.
 
While you make a minor point, guns, their availability to nearly everyone it seems (especially the youth of America), and the extremely easy manner in which they can injures scores of people at on time, make them quite dangerous to innocent people. But keep doing whatever it is you do. Carrying a legal firearm :)ermm:) has little to do with the massacre in Auburn. It will most likely turn out to be young kids getting their hands on something that should be exceptionally hard to get. What is that you ask????? A weapon of mass destuction. Now then, to the subject of being legally armed. At home I am quite well armed. However, out in public I do not carry a gun. What would I carry it for other than a robbery/car-jacking? That is not really a part of my day-to-day life. Nowadays in the younger crowd (under 33), guns tend to engender a false sense of toughness. They allow people to escalate incidents that would otherwise be left alone or squashed with some sort of common sense, into tragedies (see AU last night). I am not for just anyone walking around with a pistol on their waste. For responsible adults, I have a differing opinion. -- Dialing 911 in case of emergencies is what should be done. Indiscriminate shooting is NOT a good thing. And most Americans it seems are terrible marksmen. Just hitting everybody around. Not safe. At all. Actually scary.

I guess we come from different places. I grew up in ET. My Dad introduced me to shooting, and hunting (to eat) when I was very young. By the age of 12, I had my own .22, which was only taken out in Dad's presence, and with his direct supervision.

Then it was a 20-gauge...a .270 rifle...a 12-gauge...a .38...and finally an old 1911 .45. I was around guns all my life, and I was properly educated and supervised in how to keep, carry, and use them safely.

A military career followed, and then a second career in law enforcement. Guns, obviously, were a central theme. To this day, I keep a couple in the house,and I carry anytime outside the home. Have to, there are still those out there who will try to even the score if the opportunity presents itself.

I pulled the trigger twice. Both times, I had no other viable option. Once was to shoot out a tire of a truck I had chased for miles before I hung it up on my pushbar, and the driver was still trying to get loose, with several of us out on foot around the vehicle. I could have legally shot the driver under the "reasonable fear" standard, but chose to shoot out a tire instead. I don't regret the decision.

The second time is of no significance here. I did what I had to do.

I'm gonna say this, and hush. We all have our opinions on the subject, and they tend to polarize along political affiliations. Getting rid of the guns sounds like a quick fix, until you consider how you plan to take them out of the hands of those who got them illegally to begin with, and/or are banned from possessing a weapon. Rarely did I have a problem with an armed subject who owned and legally possessed the weapon. But it was all too common to find a gun on a convicted felon, or work a call where an illegally acquired gun was used in a crime.

That's the elephant in the room, folks. How do you propose to take the guns away from the criminals?

Figure that one out, and you might have a point.

Time to bury the horse on this one. My heart goes out to the victims at AU. I've had to knock on a door at 2 am, and it sucks.

Go Vols.
 
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I don't care how hot a girl is in this scenario...she isn't worth getting shot over or shooting someone over.
 
Im well aware its a complicated issue. An issue with no easy solutions. But outlawing handguns is a start. I would be all for some sort of permit process. Also, this thread got me thinking earlier, maybe the best solution would be to stop or reduce the production handgun ammunition. The gun isnt as dangerous without bullets.

Wow. Nuff said.
 
Haha will make ppl think twice before killing someone over something dumb if bullets cost a few grand per bullet.
 
That's the elephant in the room, folks. How do you propose to take the guns away from the criminals?

Unfortunately, that will probably never happen. Just as making drugs illegal and declaring a war on it, all that has done is create a massive black market that no amount of policing can deter.
 
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We have a difference of opinion, somewhat, on guns. I can respect any mature opnion on the subject...yours included...and still disagree.

Blaming guns for the violent acts they are used for is, in my opinion, akin to blaming cars for the injuries and deaths that result from their use.

Fact is, guns have more than "one purpose". There are guns that were designed specifically for the purpose of protection and...regrettably...taking a life. I don't own a Barrett or an MP5, which would be two out of many examples.

You also have weapons that were specifically designed for hunting, e.g. - dove guns and Weatherby's...

You have guns that were designed purely for the sport of marksmanship and competitions...

Guns can, and do, have more than one purpose.

It is when a gun is taken up by the malicious hand that its' "purpose" becomes twisted and ugly.

This is my opinion. Until, and unless, those who use a gun to commit crimes are held fully accountable...one strike and you're out...the scourge of gun abuse will never be erased from our nation, or our world.

Every crime like the one that started this discussion is fuel for the anti-gunners, and every dark-hearted would-be armed robber who is killed by an armed would-be victim is justification enough for me to continue to honor the 2nd Amendment as it was written.

I can respect your opinion, just don't try to force it down my throat with bad legislation.

Go Vols.

what gun would you use to shoot prairie dogs
 
what gun would you use to shoot prairie dogs

Assuming you're being serious, I really don't know much about it. Thinking very small target...roughly 100 yards max...crosswind...

Probably something in the .17 to .223 range. Fast, flat, and the animal doesn't suffer.

I'm thinking you could use Google to get the right info.

Go Vols.
 
assuming you're being serious, i really don't know much about it. Thinking very small target...roughly 100 yards max...crosswind...

Probably something in the .17 to .223 range. Fast, flat, and the animal doesn't suffer.

I'm thinking you could use google to get the right info.

Go vols.

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Im well aware its a complicated issue. An issue with no easy solutions. But outlawing handguns is a start. I would be all for some sort of permit process. Also, this thread got me thinking earlier, maybe the best solution would be to stop or reduce the production handgun ammunition. The gun isnt as dangerous without bullets.

Isn't that punishing people who already obey handgun laws? The vast majority of crimes committed with handguns are done so by people already illegally owning them, so in the end we'll have another war on drugs type situation.

They could shut down production but that will just create an even bigger black market.
 
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But outlawing handguns is a start.

yeah it would be a start to something no one would like. It would never keep guns out of the hands of people like the shooters in this story. All that does is take away the ability for people to defend themselves. Ridiculous
 
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