Obama asks for stay of execution in Texas.

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#26
At this point Obama and Hillary have gone rogue. This guy has been in this country since he was 2. Kill him and kill him now.
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utvolpj said:
it's more of an inept gov't since they entered the treaty and never sent it to Congress. Since they messed up the state of TX is allowed to give them the finger
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There used to be a time when states could give the federal government the finger over anything.
 
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I split the trucking discussion out if anyone wonders where it went. Seemed to deserve a separate thread
 
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From the article:

But observers worry that foreign countries will be less willing to grant the thousands of U.S. citizens who are arrested abroad each year consular access if Leal is put to death.

"As retired military leaders, we understand that the preservation of consular access protections is especially important for US military personnel, who when serving our country overseas are at greater risk of being arrested by a foreign government," wrote Rear Admiral Don Guter, USN, Rear Admiral John D. Hutson, USN, and Brigadier General James P. Cullen, USA in a letter to Perry.


Journalist Euna Lee, who was detained in North Korea in 2009, wrote in The Washington Post that even that rogue nation granted her access to a Swedish diplomat who was representing U.S. consular interests after she was arrested. "We ask the world to treat our citizens with respect when they are detained in other countries, including honoring their right to consular access. It is a two-way street," she wrote. The Atlantic's Nicole Allen points out that even Iran gave brief consular access to the American hikers still in custody in that country on suspicion of spy activity.










The notion that we wouldn't want to live up to the most basic of international due process standards that even freakin' North Korea observes is sort of disturbing.
 
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Seriously, what's the hurry? We have him, and he isn't going anywhere. Let him have his consulate advice. It will go like this, "You're ****ed." Wait 6 months, then fry. We only hurt ourselves by thumbing our nose at this.
 
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IPorange said:
Seriously, what's the hurry? We have him, and he isn't going anywhere. Let him have his consulate advice. It will go like this, "You're ****ed." Wait 6 months, then fry. We only hurt ourselves by thumbing our nose at this.
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The more delicate question, I think, is whether the lack of contact prior to trial so taints due process that it nullifies the conviction and he has to be retried.

If police don't advise of Miranda rights and a confession is obtained and then a later conviction overturned based on admission of the confession, that's a problem. The argument here would be that he did not understand his rights because he didn't have the benefit of whatever the consulate would have given him.

That gets mighty touchy and i suspect is why Texas is trying to stand firm on this.

Tell you what, though. I think a stay of execution is certainly possible here while this gets studied. And, in the end, don't be surprised if the Supreme Court sides with Obama on the bigger issue.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The more delicate question, I think, is whether the lack of contact prior to trial so taints due process that it nullifies the conviction and he has to be retried.
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might be true if this actually pertained to the states. SC ruled it didn't

lawgator1 said:
Tell you what, though. I think a stay of execution is certainly possible here while this gets studied. And, in the end, don't be surprised if the Supreme Court sides with Obama on the bigger issue.
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What bigger issue? They had how many years to get this thru Congress and didn't?
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Speaking of antiques... You wanna go golfing?
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Absolutely, yes. In fact was going to say something to you the other day.

I'm kinda in limbo right now on some work issues, but hopefully we can play, as soon as this weekend (although its supposed to rain a ton).
 
#41
#41
The guy is not Mexican he has been here since he was 2...He is American...Kill him now I say.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Absolutely, yes. In fact was going to say something to you the other day.

I'm kinda in limbo right now on some work issues, but hopefully we can play, as soon as this weekend (although its supposed to rain a ton).
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Will PM you later
 
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I did see a Texas Rep saying that the treaty likely doesn't apply because it has to do with allowing contact while in custody and apparently there is some question about custody here in addition to the fact he simply wasn't informed (not prevented).

In short, the treaty may be moot in this particular case and if so, the actions to grant a stay may actually expand the reach of the treaty beyond it's current language.
 
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volinbham said:
I did see a Texas Rep saying that the treaty likely doesn't apply because it has to do with allowing contact while in custody and apparently there is some question about custody here in addition to the fact he simply wasn't informed (not prevented).

In short, the treaty may be moot in this particular case and if so, the actions to grant a stay may actually expand the reach of the treaty beyond it's current language.
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Valid concern.

If you are correct, that might mean quick disposal of the effort at a stay, but give everyone a chance to reconfirm need to adhere in other situations.
 
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IPorange said:
Getting rid of a sorry SOB by undergoing a process that is putting Americans overseas at increased risk.
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it doesn't put anyone at risk until they are denied after requesting contact with the consulate
 
#50
#50
the option existed but he didn't request it. Ignorance is no excuse
 
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