Obama-Ayers Connection

Is Ayres on the ticket?

does it matter? If McCain had similar associations, you'd have already highlighted them.

Ayers is relevant because it's important to know how deeply corrupt the political system is in Chicago.
 
does it matter? If McCain had similar associations, you'd have already highlighted them.

Ayers is relevant because it's important to know how deeply corrupt the political system is in Chicago.
That's right. Here's a CNN news clip on the subject for those liberals who would rather watch something than read into it:
YouTube - ObamaAyers
 
Only one of these candidates has been reprimanded by their peers for BAD JUDGEMENT and it also appears he was pretty damn close to Keating (around the same time time Keating was breaking laws unlike Obama who was effing 8 years old when Ayres was in the WU) taking multiple trips on his private plane and his wifes family doing business with Keating but you all are right serving on a board together is much worse.I do hope Mccain keeps it up cause it is really paying dividends for him.LMAO:eek:lol:
Relationships of senators to Keating


McCain and Keating had become personal friends following their initial contacts in 1981,[11] and McCain was the only one of the five with close social and personal ties to Keating.[35][36] Like DeConcini, McCain considered Keating a constituent as he lived in Arizona.[28] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates.[37] In addition, McCain's wife Cindy McCain and her father Jim Hensley had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators. McCain, his family, and their baby-sitter had made nine trips at Keating's expense, sometimes aboard Keating's jet. Three of the trips were made during vacations to Keating's opulent Bahamas retreat at Cat Cay. McCain did not pay Keating (in the amount of $13,433) for some of the trips until years after they were taken, when he learned that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln.[7][38] In 1989 Phoenix New Times writer Tom Fitzpatrick opined that McCain was the "most reprehensible" of the five senators.[39]
 
Only one of these candidates has been reprimanded by their peers for BAD JUDGEMENT and it also appears he was pretty damn close to Keating (around the same time time Keating was breaking laws unlike Obama who was effing 8 years old when Ayres was in the WU) taking multiple trips on his private plane and his wifes family doing business with Keating but you all are right serving on a board together is much worse.I do hope Mccain keeps it up cause it is really paying dividends for him.LMAO:eek:lol:
Relationships of senators to Keating


McCain and Keating had become personal friends following their initial contacts in 1981,[11] and McCain was the only one of the five with close social and personal ties to Keating.[35][36] Like DeConcini, McCain considered Keating a constituent as he lived in Arizona.[28] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates.[37] In addition, McCain's wife Cindy McCain and her father Jim Hensley had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators. McCain, his family, and their baby-sitter had made nine trips at Keating's expense, sometimes aboard Keating's jet. Three of the trips were made during vacations to Keating's opulent Bahamas retreat at Cat Cay. McCain did not pay Keating (in the amount of $13,433) for some of the trips until years after they were taken, when he learned that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln.[7][38] In 1989 Phoenix New Times writer Tom Fitzpatrick opined that McCain was the "most reprehensible" of the five senators.[39]

You laugh about this while the candidate you support, the same guy who's agenda (subprime loans, advocated for the "black community") is the reason we just had to spend over 700 billion as country to bail out his buddies at Fannie. Your candidate is a part of the problem here, not the solution! How can he talk about failed policy when the only real contribution he has ever made (to my knowledge) is advocating for subprime loans, the reason for our economic disaster!
 
You laugh about this while the candidate you support, the same guy who's agenda (subprime loans, advocated for the "black community") is the reason we just had to spend over 700 billion as country to bail out his buddies at Fannie. Your candidate is a part of the problem here, not the solution! How can he talk about failed policy when the only real contribution he has ever made (to my knowledge) is advocating for subprime loans, the reason for our economic disaster!
Maybe Mccain should talk about that instead of Ayres he surely could not do any worse with it.I didn't realize only blacks got sub prime loans that remark almost smells of racial overtones.my fault I meant RACIST overtones.
 
Maybe Mccain should talk about that instead of Ayres he surely could not do any worse with it.I didn't realize only blacks got sub prime loans that remark almost smells of racial overtones.my fault I meant RACIST overtones.
do you know nothing of Obama's political history?
 
Maybe Mccain should talk about that instead of Ayres he surely could not do any worse with it.I didn't realize only blacks got sub prime loans that remark almost smells of racial overtones.my fault I meant RACIST overtones.

No, your correct they weren't the only ones to get loans. I never meant it to have racial overtones, but in essense that is the largest demographic Obama was advocating loans for. In fact I would say that African Americans were a minority as far as these bad mortgages are concerned. It still does not change the fact that Obama advocated for them and now here we are holding the bag! OBAMA WAS A PART OF THE PROBLEM OF THAT THERE IS NO DEBATING!

Nice play to try and paint me in a negative light as far as race issues go but even you realized how poor that case was. I also noticed you didn't try and refute my assertion that Obama was part of the problem, probably saw how tenuous that rebuttal would be too!
 
No, your correct they weren't the only ones to get loans. I never meant it to have racial overtones, but in essense that is the largest demographic Obama was advocating loans for. In fact I would say that African Americans were a minority as far as these bad mortgages are concerned. It still does not change the fact that Obama advocated for them and now here we are holding the bag! OBAMA WAS A PART OF THE PROBLEM OF THAT THERE IS NO DEBATING!

Nice play to try and paint me in a negative light as far as race issues go but even you realized how poor that case was. I also noticed you didn't try and refute my assertion that Obama was part of the problem, probably saw how tenuous that rebuttal would be too!

You act surprised he called you a racist. He has a typical liberal mindset. They think they can win ANY debate if, they throw out the words racist or bigot.
 
Windfarms....how could you not vote for windfarms? :fool:
Funny cause World news tonight finished off their newscast talking about what WINDTURBINES in a ohio soybean field 4 of them powering 3000 homes but hell they are just part of the liberal media which is basically all media not associated with newsmax,fox,worldnet,or douche I mean rush limbaugh and a few others.:eek:lol:
 
Funny cause World news tonight finished off their newscast talking about what WINDTURBINES in a ohio soybean field 4 of them powering 3000 homes but hell they are just part of the liberal media which is basically all media not associated with newsmax,fox,worldnet,or douche I mean rush limbaugh and a few others.:eek:lol:

You don't say? Well then, this discussion is over.
 
No, just figured it was getting close to your bath time and did not want to get into a debate with you.

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That is pretty good allvol I did not realize conservatives could be funny you know after watching 1/2 hour news hour and all.:)
 
That is pretty good allvol I did not realize conservatives could be funny you know after watching 1/2 hour news hour and all.:)

I have a better sense of humor than 99% of the people you have associated with during your life.

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So only blacks got subprime loans no I did not know that.:)
No, African-Americans were not the only people who were given sub prime loans. However, the greater ideal behind making houses affordable to low income earners and the "every American should have a house" push, was, in fact, racially motivated.

The lack of homeownership in the black community led to a lack of equity in the black community. Wealth was not handed down through the two generations since the post WWII housing boom and suburban movement in the black community as it was in the white community.

This lack of inherited wealth, ultimately has led to a distinct lack of tax revenue generated in black communities (mainly through local property taxes and sales taxes). The lack of revenue led to less funding for black community public schools, ultimately leading to less prosperous career opportunities for those living in the black community.

So, while the white man was getting better jobs, sending his children to better schools, and then passing on his life earnings to his children, the black man found himself "stuck" in an apparent cycle of poverty.

This is how the belief goes to those who believe that the white man is inherently evil. While many of these cases are not debatable, the causes and solutions to this problem certainly have roots in two different philosophies.

Most white Americans today with knowledge of the subject understand that the housing rules (i.e. red-lining) were grossly unfair to African-Americans in the 1950s and 1960s. However, they tend not to feel as they should be punished due to the sins of their parents and grandparents.

On the other side of the issue, are politicians and race baiters who have pushed to pass punitive legislation for years against white America. Some examples of this include Federal Mandates requiring districts, counties, and municipalities whose residents are mostly white to share their tax revenues with those regions whose residents are mostly minority. Another example of trying to legislatively punish the white man and "level the playing field" is the estate tax.

Yet, for forty years that fair housing legislation has been in effect, the situation has actually gotten worse for the black community. That is because people with money usually know how to keep their money. They find ways to fund their school systems through fundraisers instead of extra property taxes, therefore they money they raise stays with their schools, and ultimately gets their community more involved with the schooling (again, leading to a better education than one can receive at a typical minority school).

With the sub-prime lending spree, legislators who were trying to "level the playing field" finally thought they found their solution. However, trying to reign in the dynamics of a free-market, capitalistic society is incredibly tough. Frankly, it is arrogant to believe that one can. The Federal Government pushed lending institutions to lend at low rates to non-credit worthy consumers, with the "gentleman's agreement" that if this goes bad then the Fed will step in to subsidize the lending industry. That feeling of almost immunity led a lot of money minded people to push the envelope and increase their risks in every aspect of the banking industry, ultimately leading to the fall out we are in today.

It was government regulation, the flat out demand that these people "level the playing field", that has put us in the situation we are in. The solution is certainly to let these institutions fall on their faces. Take the hard hit over the next two years, and then recover and get the Fed's hands off of industry.

Whoa...that was one heck of a stream of conscience.
 
Why do you think that McCain does not stand up and give the real cause of the problem, which you have stated so well by the way, instead of letting BHO say that it was deregulation that caused the problems?
 
Why do you think that McCain does not stand up and give the real cause of the problem, which you have stated so well by the way, instead of letting BHO say that it was deregulation that caused the problems?
I honestly think the dems could cram down his throat that he just hates poor people and doesn't want them to own homes.

He doesn't want to be seen as disloyal to those "down on their luck" or "those less fortunate."

What drives me nuts is that Obama has no remote clue about finacial institution deregulation and McCain has let him wield it like a weapon.

Again, it's a point where I would come off message and ask Obama to walk me through how deregulation caused the mess. Next debate McCain should stop him regularly and just ask. Show me your leadership credentials. Tell me the math on the tax situation. Show me that you've ever done anything. Show me a dollar of savings you've authored, etc.
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