Obama bows again

#51
#51
VOLS INC. said:
Most of which he brought on himself. and yeah he cut taxes and he also spent trillions in a war. I agree that something had to be done to fight terrorism, i just wish we had someone smarter and a little more patient than the texas cowboy.
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It can be argued that patience with the problem of terrorism brought us 9/11.

Obama's approach appears to be to appease and make concessions. I think the answer is probably in the middle though closer to aggressive engagement.
 
#52
#52
MontereyVol said:
Let's look at this another way. America is country built around business, what Obama did was good business.
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I watched the clip last night. I really don't have a problem with it. I don't think it was as big of a deal as bowing in the middle east.

To me it is a matter of context as it pertains to the culture. In the middle east bowing is showing subservience, in this particular culture it is a matter of showing respect, a formal greeting if you will.
 
#53
#53
This bow doesn't bother me. It's the bow when Obama's facing the other direction that concerns me.
 
#56
#56
KB5252 said:
I will not defend Bush, I did not agree with much of what he did as president. You on the other hand are as bad as the lunatic right wingers. You choose to believe insane left wing conspiracy theories that take witness statements out of context, not to mention observations and statements that were made while people were in shock and struggling to comprehend the unimaginable acts they were thrust into by Muslim extremists.

You would be correct in your assertions that this was the first time 3 buildings had been brought down by fire, at least three buildings of this magnitude. You also forgot to mention that it was also the first time planes full of aviation fuel had also struck buildings like these. The conspiracy theories have been refuted by the best structural engineers and experts in the field.

I love to debate issues, both with those I agree as well as those I don't. Your beliefs are yours and you're entitled to them. I find it very hard to listen to this crap though, especially when real science and experts have presented the truth, you need to realize you're being blinded by your hate for Bush. I do not like Obama much at all, this is a known fact, yet I do not believe in the "birther" movement because there is no real evidence to support it.

What I am getting at is you're blinded so much by your hate for one man that you will believe almost anything negative about him. Whether you realize this or not that is a very dangerous thing, both for you and this nation.

Just my two cents here.
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Ill agree that my hate for him may skew my view of certain things. You know it would have been nice if he wouldn't have waited over 400 days to order a full blown out investigation of the 911 crimes. again another fail by him. I guess the thing that just frustrates me so much is that he was never called out on these things other than the press.We were in a time where because of the war on terror it wasn't considered PC to Really question this man's decisions. Obama's has gotten second guessed more in 6 months than bush did in his whole first term. Maybe it's because obamas changing domestic policies and not foreign policies either way i feel like he should have to answer for some of the bad decisions he made especially katrina and the weapons of mass destruction. He wasn't a king, he was an elected official whose salary was paid by us. I want some accountability. I do respect your opinion by the way.
 
#57
#57
VOLS INC. said:
Ill agree that my hate for him may skew my view of certain things. You know it would have been nice if he wouldn't have waited over 400 days to order a full blown out investigation of the 911 crimes. again another fail by him. I guess the thing that just frustrates me so much is that he was never called out on these things other than the press.We were in a time where because of the war on terror it wasn't considered PC to Really question this man's decisions. Obama's has gotten second guessed more in 6 months than bush did in his whole first term. Maybe it's because obamas changing domestic policies and not foreign policies either way i feel like he should have to answer for some of the bad decisions he made especially katrina and the weapons of mass destruction. He wasn't a king, he was an elected official whose salary was paid by us. I want some accountability. I do respect your opinion by the way.
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Have you lost your mind? Bush's first six months were dogged by the idiotic left pretending that Gore won and talking about moving to foreign countries and such.

Bad decision on Katrina? Which decision was a bad one? Starting the hurricane in New Orleans rather than the Hamptons?
 
#58
#58
VOLS INC. said:
Ill agree that my hate for him may skew my view of certain things. You know it would have been nice if he wouldn't have waited over 400 days to order a full blown out investigation of the 911 crimes. again another fail by him. I guess the thing that just frustrates me so much is that he was never called out on these things other than the press.We were in a time where because of the war on terror it wasn't considered PC to Really question this man's decisions. Obama's has gotten second guessed more in 6 months than bush did in his whole first term. Maybe it's because obamas changing domestic policies and not foreign policies either way i feel like he should have to answer for some of the bad decisions he made especially katrina and the weapons of mass destruction. He wasn't a king, he was an elected official whose salary was paid by us. I want some accountability. I do respect your opinion by the way.
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Hussein is changing foreign and domestic policy. Bush should have been the last resort in Katrina, what about the mayor or governor? Did the governor of MS wait on the federal govt? No, he is a leader he took action. And the WMD aruguement is really old but, what about when the UN said he had WMD or Hillary or pretty much every other dem?
 
#59
#59
VOLS INC. said:
Ill agree that my hate for him may skew my view of certain things. You know it would have been nice if he wouldn't have waited over 400 days to order a full blown out investigation of the 911 crimes. again another fail by him. I guess the thing that just frustrates me so much is that he was never called out on these things other than the press.We were in a time where because of the war on terror it wasn't considered PC to Really question this man's decisions. Obama's has gotten second guessed more in 6 months than bush did in his whole first term. Maybe it's because obamas changing domestic policies and not foreign policies either way i feel like he should have to answer for some of the bad decisions he made especially katrina and the weapons of mass destruction. He wasn't a king, he was an elected official whose salary was paid by us. I want some accountability. I do respect your opinion by the way.
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By the way 911 was not a crime, I know the left is very uncomfortable with this term, but I was a terrorist attack
 
#60
#60
BigPapaVol said:
Have you lost your mind? Bush's first six months were dogged by the idiotic left pretending that Gore won and talking about moving to foreign countries and such.

Bad decision on Katrina? Which decision was a bad one? Starting the hurricane in New Orleans rather than the Hamptons?
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No waiting 5 days before he did anything about it. and im white by the way if that hamptons joke was supposed to infer anything.
 
#61
#61
No, the Hamptons joke was political and wasn't implying anything racial.

The waiting 5 days gibberish is absolute garbage. Even the loony left idiots can grasp that.
 
#62
#62
VOLS INC. said:
No waiting 5 days before he did anything about it. and im white by the way if that hamptons joke was supposed to infer anything.
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Federal resources started mobilizing within hours of Katrina's landfall. However, the federal government does nothing quickly or efficiently. The front lines were the state and local governments. In Louisiana, Mayor Ray Nagin and Governor Kathleen Blanco acted with almost criminal incompetence.

Compare Blanco with what Bobby Jindal did when Hurricane Gustav was churning towards the LA coast.
 
#63
#63
volfanjustin said:
Hussein is changing foreign and domestic policy. Bush should have been the last resort in Katrina, what about the mayor or governor? Did the governor of MS wait on the federal govt? No, he is a leader he took action. And the WMD aruguement is really old but, what about when the UN said he had WMD or Hillary or pretty much every other dem?
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Yeah because it was such a small little thunderstorm that the city should have gotten all the tree limbs up. GET A GRIP. the federal government should take over when something of that magnitude happens. Or at the very least do more to support the local government.and when i mean do more when your dealing with the Louisiana idiots JUST TAKE OVER
 
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#65
VOLS INC. said:
Yeah because it was such a small little thunderstorm that the city should have gotten all the tree limbs up. GET A GRIP. the federal government should take over when something of that magnitude happens. Or at the very least do more to support the local government.
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ask the people of Kentucky what the Obama administration did for them earlier this year when ice storms shut down pretty much half of the state.
 
#67
#67
VOLS INC. said:
Yeah because it was such a small little thunderstorm that the city should have gotten all the tree limbs up. GET A GRIP. the federal government should take over when something of that magnitude happens. Or at the very least do more to support the local government.and when i mean do more when your dealing with the Louisiana idiots JUST TAKE OVER
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the Fed gov't having the ability to just step in and take everything over is a terrible idea. To think they have the intelligence to do it is an even worse one
 
#70
#70
utvolpj said:
the Fed gov't having the ability to just step in and take everything over is a terrible idea. To think they have the intelligence to do it is an even worse one
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come on. You don't think the Fed bureaucracy, piled high in DC, knows more about Louisiana than the locals do? Are you crazy?
 
#71
#71
MG1968 said:
ask the people of Kentucky what the Obama administration did for them earlier this year when ice storms shut down pretty much half of the state.
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Yeah i lived in Kentucky during that time and it was an inconvenience but if your trying to compare the magnitude in what obama didn't do for the people in Kentucky during an ice Storm and what bush didn't do for the people in new Orleans than my friend i have nothing else to say to you.
 
#72
#72
VOLS INC. said:
Yeah i lived in Kentucky during that time and it was an inconvenience but if your trying to compare the magnitude in what obama didn't do for the people in Kentucky during an ice Storm and what bush didn't do for the people in new Orleans than my friend i have nothing else to say to you.
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he's saying that the federal government simply can't do. It's not hard. Forget the level of the catastrophe, the feds are not capable of doing anything efficiently, save provide defense.
 
#73
#73
VOLS INC. said:
Yeah i lived in Kentucky during that time and it was an inconvenience but if your trying to compare the magnitude in what obama didn't do for the people in Kentucky during an ice Storm and what bush didn't do for the people in new Orleans than my friend i have nothing else to say to you.
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you keep using that phrase, I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
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