Obama campaign tries to wash its hands of the Romney/Cancer Ad

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Orlando Vol said:
The "individual mandate" was the lynchpin of the entire ACA... You know, it was debated and ruled on by the Supreme Court.
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Requiring someone to buy a product does not increase personal responsibility. Personal responsibility would be buying it without having to be forced.
 
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Not only was the individual mandate ruled constitutional, it was implemented first by Mitt Romney, who as recently as three years ago said the president should adopt it nationally.

This is the same Mitt Romney who, by the way, wrote an article about how the auto industry should go bankrupt and criticized the bailout, but who now claims what he meant was to do, oh, exactly what Obama did on it. In fact, he says it was his idea!

I'd ask for the real Mitt Romney to please stand up, but there isn't one.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The problem with polling on the ACA is that a significant majority of the people who think they know enough about it to have an opinion actually don't understand it, pretty much at all.

Heck, on this board, of relatively well educated folks, we see every week statements demonstrating abject ignorance of the individual mandate, and that's the component most people should have at least a working knowledge of. Yet they don't.

Last night was listening to a call in show and some guy called up, still yapping about freaking "death panels."
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It hasn't been fully written yet. The rules/mechanism details are all waiting to be determined.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not only was the individual mandate ruled constitutional, it was implemented first by Mitt Romney, who as recently as three years ago said the president should adopt it nationally.

This is the same Mitt Romney who, by the way, wrote an article about how the auto industry should go bankrupt and criticized the bailout, but who now claims what he meant was to do, oh, exactly what Obama did on it. In fact, he says it was his idea!

I'd ask for the real Mitt Romney to please stand up, but there isn't one.
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if your only defense of the ACA is Romney then you've already lost the argument
 
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utvolpj said:
if your only defense of the ACA is Romney then you've already lost the argument
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My defense is that the individual mandate is a peculiarly Republican and fiscally conservative idea. It prevents people from getting free stuff and making you and I pay for it. Don't you like that?
 
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lawgator1 said:
My defense is that the individual mandate is a peculiarly Republican and fiscally conservative idea. It prevents people from getting free stuff and making you and I pay for it. Don't you like that?
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I personally don't give a damn what the GOP says. They are as worthless as the Dems when it comes to spending except they buy new high heels when the Dems prefer purses

so why are my taxes going up because of this? Are you claiming I'm not still paying for it? My HC costs will not go down for my family and I'm now paying more in taxes because of the bill. I fail to see how this helps me and my family at all
 
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utvolpj said:
if your only defense of the ACA is Romney then you've already lost the argument
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See that's just it... This is in no way the ONLY defense.

It's just ironically awesome that the NUMBER ONE issue that the republican party is obsessed with ("Repealed" in the House 30+ times), and probably planned on using as campaign issue #1...

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Was first implemented in America by THEIR NOMINEE for POTUS! :lolabove: :dance2: :crazy: :loco:
 
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Orlando Vol said:
See that's just it... This is in no way the ONLY defense.

It's just ironically awesome that the NUMBER ONE issue that the republican party is obsessed with ("Repealed" in the House 30+ times), and probably planned on using as campaign issue #1...

Wait for it...

Was first implemented in America by THEIR NOMINEE for POTUS! :lolabove: :dance2: :crazy: :loco:
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1) it was implemented in a state
2) I'm not voting for him or any other candidate that doesn't want to drastically cut spending and entitlements
 
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lawgator1 said:
My defense is that the individual mandate is a peculiarly Republican and fiscally conservative idea. It prevents people from getting free stuff and making you and I pay for it. Don't you like that?
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It doesn't do that at all. It takes money from Person A, gives it to Person B so Person B can pay for a service, and then claims that Person B didn't get the service for free.
 
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Andrea Saul's (Romney's Press Secretary) made an incredibly stupid political facepalm.

Ann Coulter's reaction to it was priceless. Although I believe it is genuine among hardcore Republicans. Romney is deep trouble with his base.

Obama is going to have field day with this one. At this rate he might send Romney and the GOP a Christmas Card. The GOP has become a laughing stock and a prime example (almost weekly now) of what not to do in a campaign election.
 
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Has anybody heard the audio from the campaign conference call? Stephanie Cutter denied any knowledge of the story but on the recording Joe Scoptic tells the story and ends with . . . "and now I'll turn the call back over to Stephanie" and she thanks him for sharing the story. Whoops.
 
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GAVol said:
Has anybody heard the audio from the campaign conference call? Stephanie Cutter denied any knowledge of the story but on the recording Joe Scoptic tells the story and ends with . . . "and now I'll turn the call back over to Stephanie" and she thanks him for sharing the story. Whoops.
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read part of the transcript, but Romney's early response undermines the blatant lying as a weapon to be used against a guy that can't keep himself from making things up.
 
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No matter what the connection is between the PAC and the campaign, it is a simple fact: if the campaign didn't want this ad out there, it wouldn't be out there.
 
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bamawriter said:
No matter what the connection is between the PAC and the campaign, it is a simple fact: if the campaign didn't want this ad out there, it wouldn't be out there.
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I will give the new media credit for the change this aspect of politics. We all always knew when the campaigns were blatantly lying in distancing themselves from gaffes. Now, there really isn't anywhere to hide.

The big media still tends to shill for the hardcore lefties and never let this stuff see the broader populace, but it's getting much harder to just make it up. Had Obama been truly vetted, he would have been killed the first time on his employment history, transcripts, voting record and acquaintances. That's how it should be.
 
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bamawriter said:
No matter what the connection is between the PAC and the campaign, it is a simple fact: if the campaign didn't want this ad out there, it wouldn't be out there.
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Is that true of Romney and the Super-PAC ads for him, as well?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Is that true of Romney and the Super-PAC ads for him, as well?
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Sure it is. But this may be the most blatant, over the top ad I've ever seen. Nobody I've heard from the left has done anything but backpedal from this one. Somebody clearly got overzealous here.
 
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What about the **OFFICIAL** Romney ad, where he blatantly takes the phrase "You didn't build that" out of context?

Is that a "truthful" ad?

Especially, since it is almost EXACTLY something Romney has said himself?
 
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Orlando Vol said:
What about the **OFFICIAL** Romney ad, where he blatantly takes the phrase "You didn't build that" out of context?

Is that a "truthful" ad?

Especially, since it is almost EXACTLY something Romney has said himself?
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if that's the best you can do, just stop, because claiming Romney killed somebody isn't quite the same as using the President's own words against him
 
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Orlando Vol said:
What about the **OFFICIAL** Romney ad, where he blatantly takes the phrase "You didn't build that" out of context?

Is that a "truthful" ad?

Especially, since it is almost EXACTLY something Romney has said himself?
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blantantly out of context? How does one take that dumbass comment out of context?
 
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Or what about this:

Ron Haskins, GOP Welfare Reform Architect, Blasts Mitt Romney Ad

Mitt Romney's latest television ad attacks the Obama administration for announcing a "plan to gut welfare reform by dropping work requirements." It's a strong allegation, but according to a former Republican congressional aide who was key to crafting welfare reform in the 1990s, it's also not true.

"There's no plausible scenario under which it really constitutes a serious attack on welfare reform," Ron Haskins, who is now co-director of the Brookings Institution's Center on Children and Families, said in an interview with NPR that aired on Wednesday.
 
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GAVol said:
Sure it is. But this may be the most blatant, over the top ad I've ever seen. Nobody I've heard from the left has done anything but backpedal from this one. Somebody clearly got overzealous here.
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Yes.

Romney's surrogate who said that this could have been avoided had they had health insurance under the individual mandate like in Mass.
 
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