Obama gets a pass for inheriting a mess?

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#28
He does not get a pass.

I'd say that you have to view what he has done with a recognition that the economy was truly in terrible shape, really the worst in 70 years, with all sorts of major infrastructure problems, and then of course the European problem, very little of which he could affect. So you have to temper criticism of him with some accounting for the situation.

But, he hasn't been nearly as firm or strong in terms of leadership as I'd like him to be, far too willing to just respond to criticism than to be out in front of it. He's getting better, I think, but not sure he deserves a second term at this point. A lot will depend on who the GOP nominates and whether the economy is on a sustained uptick by next summer.

The latter is debatable. The former, well, if the GOP had a brain in its head it would nominate Romney simply because he is not threatening and they can continue to make the election simply a referendum on Obama. But that's a pretty big "if" at this point, given how they keep going after the new and shiny thing for a little bit, until they get bored.
 
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On a serious note: Can someone explain to me why the GOP is the fix here? I'm not probama, but I'm really not sure what can fix the mess we are in right now. Historically, republicans have run the biggest deficits - if that's what we need right now to get us rolling - great.

I'm totally lost. I don't trust any party to fix this. I don't know what the answer is - and I certainly don't trust anyone who is arrogant enough to adamantly claim they have the answer.

Am I alone? The current state of the US has turned me into a cynical old man.
 
#31
#31
lawgator1 said:
He does not get a pass.

I'd say that you have to view what he has done with a recognition that the economy was truly in terrible shape, really the worst in 70 years, with all sorts of major infrastructure problems, and then of course the European problem, very little of which he could affect. So you have to temper criticism of him with some accounting for the situation.

But, he hasn't been nearly as firm or strong in terms of leadership as I'd like him to be, far too willing to just respond to criticism than to be out in front of it. He's getting better, I think, but not sure he deserves a second term at this point. A lot will depend on who the GOP nominates and whether the economy is on a sustained uptick by next summer.

The latter is debatable. The former, well, if the GOP had a brain in its head it would nominate Romney simply because he is not threatening and they can continue to make the election simply a referendum on Obama. But that's a pretty big "if" at this point, given how they keep going after the new and shiny thing for a little bit, until they get bored.
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No mention of Cain, LG you clearly are a racist.....jk
 
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MUR73 said:
No mention of Cain, LG you clearly are a racist.....jk
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Cain is the current shiny new thing. But even his ride is going to be fairly short lived as people start looking at him more closely. I predict he flames out by November 1 and he free falls in the polls.

Romney has the money and the organization. He's boring, yes, but if the economy is still in the dumps by next summer he's your best shot to just sort of be the anti-Obama choice.

Put it this way, if the economy makes some sort of major turn around between now and then Obama would be tough to beat, anyway. So you might as well go with the guy that can beat him if it is still stagnate, which, while not certain, is nonetheless likely.
 
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champyvol said:
he killed himself with his healtcare law, but he is still the lesser of the two evils.
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Lesser of two evils? This current administration is so far in over their heads, its laughable. If Obama doesnt pull an LBJ this Winter, he will set the democratic party back at least a decade
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Lesser of two evils? This current administration is so far in over their heads, its laughable. If Obama doesnt pull an LBJ this Winter, he will set the democratic party back at least a decade
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the republican nazi party attacking the middle class will put americans back decades. neither side is worth the garbage that spews out of there mouth, but i'll side with the dems for now. the govenors in ohio and wisconsin have almost assured obama will win those 2 states. everytime i start thinking the repubs might be ok they remind me why i don't vote for them.
 
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UTWes said:
What ya'll think? Seems fair to me. He should get a second term to prove himself.
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M-A-L-A-I-S-E

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He and his Chicago Crooks have stolen enough of our assets.
 
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champyvol said:
the republican nazi party attacking the middle class will put americans back decades. neither side is worth the garbage that spews out of there mouth, but i'll side with the dems for now. the govenors in ohio and wisconsin have almost assured obama will win those 2 states. everytime i start thinking the repubs might be ok they remind me why i don't vote for them.
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If the recall elections in Wisconsin were any indication, you are wrong.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
If the recall elections in Wisconsin were any indication, you are wrong.
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wait and see, in ohio adolf's bill is about to go down to defeat. people are alittle better off in wisconsin than what they are in ohio, but that soon will change when the teachers start to bail out of the state.
 
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champyvol said:
wait and see, in ohio adolf's bill is about to go down to defeat. people are alittle better off in wisconsin than what they are in ohio, but that soon will change when the teachers start to bail out of the state.
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Who's this Adolf? I thought the Ohio governor was Kasich. You won't see a mass exodus of teachers leaving Wisconsin or any other state, especially considering the teacher surplus you have in most areas around the country.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
Who's this Adolf? I thought the Ohio governor was Kasich. You won't see a mass exodus of teachers leaving Wisconsin or any other state, especially considering the teacher surplus you have in most areas around the country.
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when you strip the barganing they will leave. why stay in a state when you have better benefits in another. don't think it will matter though i believe the union bill will be crushed in ohio. kasich approval rating is at 19%.
 
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#45
champyvol said:
trying to do away with the unions. the first thing hitler did when he took power.
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unions suck. Of course their leaders are getting rich off the members (which seems like something you might be against)
 
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#46
champyvol said:
trying to do away with the unions. the first thing hitler did when he took power.
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Efforts to rein in the financial burdens imposed by public sector unions (Republicans) is slightly different than eliminating labor unions. Although, I'm not convinced that Hitler actually "eliminated" the unions. This article suggests that the Weimar unions were simply nationalized and were an important part of the master plan.

Hitler Didn?t Outlaw Unions – As a National Socialist, He Went Double-Down On Them | The Graph
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dreVol said:
Efforts to rein in the financial burdens imposed by public sector unions (Republicans) is slightly different than eliminating labor unions. Although, I'm not convinced that Hitler actually "eliminated" the unions. This article suggests that the Weimar unions were simply nationalized and were an important part of the master plan.

Hitler Didn?t Outlaw Unions – As a National Socialist, He Went Double-Down On Them | The Graph
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didn't outlaw them he broke them. the same way kashich is trying to do.
 
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utvolpj said:
unions suck. Of course their leaders are getting rich off the members (which seems like something you might be against)
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i don't agree with alot of the fundamentals the unions have. i have worked for union and non union and didn't have a problem with either of them. i will say i agree that people have a right to collective bargaining and a corrupt govenor should not be able to take that away from them.
 
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champyvol said:
i don't agree with alot of the fundamentals the unions have. i have worked for union and non union and didn't have a problem with either of them. i will say i agree that people have a right to collective bargaining and a corrupt govenor should not be able to take that away from them.
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why is it a right?
 
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#50
So About that "Obama Winning In Ohio" thingy ...

New polls on 2012 battles in Ohio & Pennsylvania – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

According to a Quinnipiac University survey released Wednesday morning, 53 percent of Ohio voters disapprove of the job the president's doing in office, with 42 percent saying they approve of how Obama's handling his duties. The 42 percent approval rating matches the president's all-time low in Quinnipiac polling for Ohio. The survey also indicates that by a 51 to 43 percent margin, Buckeye State voters say the president doesn't deserve to be re-elected in 2012
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Obama is not winning FL, NC, VA, IN and most likely PA and OH
 
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