Obama gets a pass for inheriting a mess?

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#79
I asked this in another thread but it didn't get answered so I'll try here. What is the GOP going to do to get us out of this situation? I'm not saying Obama is the answer because it hasn't worked thus far, but historically, repubs run larger deficits. Is that the answer to get us out of this? I'm just not sure what the answer is - and it's infinitely more frustrating when you can't trust you're leaders because they're all arrogant enough to believe they know the answer.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
I asked this in another thread but it didn't get answered so I'll try here. What is the GOP going to do to get us out of this situation? I'm not saying Obama is the answer because it hasn't worked thus far, but historically, repubs run larger deficits. Is that the answer to get us out of this? I'm just not sure what the answer is - and it's infinitely more frustrating when you can't trust you're leaders because they're all arrogant enough to believe they know the answer.
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Wait who controled the house in the 90's?
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KiffinKiller said:
I asked this in another thread but it didn't get answered so I'll try here. What is the GOP going to do to get us out of this situation? I'm not saying Obama is the answer because it hasn't worked thus far, but historically, repubs run larger deficits. Is that the answer to get us out of this? I'm just not sure what the answer is - and it's infinitely more frustrating when you can't trust you're leaders because they're all arrogant enough to believe they know the answer.
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Well for 1) the GOP wont trot out a POTUS who bashes people who create jobs every time he gets infront of a TV. 2 Obamacare is gone, and the worry over how much it will cost to hire an employee. 3) worry over changing regulation will be gone (Dodd Frank+ Sarbanes Oxley are repealed and rolled into 1) 4) Long term growth strategies with an emphasis on education. Not these short term wanna be "Jolts" which basically hand out shovels to the UE
 
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Ok. I'm just worried that GOP will run another huge deficit and we will be more in the hole than we started out. The real fear here is will they in fact build for the future, or fall in with every other politician and put a short term band aid on the situation.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
Ok. I'm just worried that GOP will run another huge deficit and we will be more in the hole than we started out. The real fear here is will they in fact build for the future, or fall in with every other politician and put a short term band aid on the situation.
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what you're worried about seems guaranteed if the current admin stays. I'm not sure if I could pull the lever for a Romney but if the other name on there is Obama it might happen
 
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utvolpj said:
what you're worried about seems guaranteed if the current admin stays. I'm not sure if I could pull the lever for a Romney but if the other name on there is Obama it might happen
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sake of asking, u vote for mcdonnel if he were goin
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UTWes said:
What ya'll think? Seems fair to me. He should get a second term to prove himself.
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The question to be answered with regard to a second term isn't what he inherited but what he's done with what he inherited.

Reagan inherited an economy as bad or worse than this one. By his re-election campaign, his policies of tax simplification/cuts and regulatory restraint had contributed to bringing the country out of a bad recession and "stagflation". These same polices also helped end the oil crisis of the '70's. Reagan had a very simple rule... that simplicity enraged the sophisticated left and establishment GOP... he trusted the American people. He believed in them not gov't and demanded policies that reflected that priority of confidence.

By contrast, Obama truly has clung to the "failed policies of the past." He has grown gov't and introduced a gov't solution for every problem. If he isn't as a few believe trying to to collapse the system then he is a very, very blind idealogue. He makes few bones about not believing that Americans are good enough and capable enough to "fairly" solve the nations problems. He seems to loath the notions of individual freedom and responsibility. In EVERY regulatory area his admin has taken up a hostile and aggressive posture with private business. He has tried every imaginable way to increase taxes.

Reagan brought stability and confidence to a country and economy that badly needed it after Carter. Obama either intentionally or ignorantly has further de-stabilized the economy and made people more fearful... and vulnerable to promises of gov't "help".

Obama does not deserve another term for one reason: his own ideals and performance.
 
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#88
replace a fool with a fool, at least with a gop congress bickering no more damage can be done
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KiffinKiller said:
Ok. I'm just worried that GOP will run another huge deficit and we will be more in the hole than we started out. The real fear here is will they in fact build for the future, or fall in with every other politician and put a short term band aid on the situation.
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The programs that got us to where we are weren't the product of constitutional conservatives. They were the product of progessive statists starting with Wilson and including every President from then until now except for Reagan.

Every time a real solution to the real problem is offered... the left demagogues it until it is politically unviable. Ryan's plan was actually "moderate" in its approach... yet Dems were telling seniors that their medicine was going to stop coming... telling people that women and children were going to starve in the street... and of course that conservatives hate blacks and that's their sole motive for wanting to cut gov't.

During the budget "crisis" the left effectively demonized the Tea Party for nothing more than wanting to reduce gov't growth from 8% over 10 years to 6%.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
replace a fool with a fool, at least with a gop congress bickering no more damage can be done
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:good!:

Barring some unforeseen circumstance, the only Rep I would be willing to vote for right now is Cain.

If we cannot get a genuine fiscal conservative with the backbone to cut gov't then a divided gov't is preferrable to the Dems or establishment GOP having control.
 
#93
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UTWes said:
I'm just using ya'lls logic, seems fair to give Obama time to turn it around?
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I'll play. If Dooley has actually made things worse and further destabilized the UT football program after 4 years... then he shouldn't get four more years either.
 
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MG1968 said:
when Dooley screws up, it doesn't cost billions, if not trillions, of taxpayer dollars

Obama has had more than enough time to get the US economy turned around, instead he's advocated and passed legislation that's made things worse.
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You know the funny thing... all he had to do is stay out of the way. If he just hadn't done anything radical like Obamacare... things would have been better than they are.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
Ok. I'm just worried that GOP will run another huge deficit and we will be more in the hole than we started out. The real fear here is will they in fact build for the future, or fall in with every other politician and put a short term band aid on the situation.
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Here's what I'd like to see:

1) Tax reform - simplify the code and remove or greatly reduce all the govt "incentives".

2) Regulatory reform - reduce and stabilize regulations. Stabilization is just as important (maybe more) than reducing. Businesses need some regulatory certainty.

3) All available sources Energy Program - we are handicapping ourselves to placate a few special interests.

4) Entitlement reform - restructure Medicare and SS to ensure solvency

5) Reduce intervention policies globally

Not saying it will happen but the Ryan plan was a start towards the above.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The former, well, if the GOP had a brain in its head it would nominate Romney simply because he is not threatening and they can continue to make the election simply a referendum on Obama. .
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Non-threatening to who? Obama-lite is VERY threatening to me.

See this goes back to that whole "compromise" idea. You see Romney as "compromise" because he might do a little that you want and won't do any of the things liberals have put in place.

I find that a wholly unacceptable "compromise".
 
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I'm very concerned that we will be voting in another Obama, but from the GOP. They 'promise' to fix the economy - but run a deficit, like repubs do historically, (not always bad) which is not advisable considering our national debt.
 
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VOLatile said:
I wish he was a real socialist.
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he probably really is, but can't be honest about it and get elected POTUS, so he wraps himself in a thin veneer of populism that is the only transparent thing about his administration
 
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