Obama picks Biden

#51
#51
OrangeEmpire said:
Obama's theme is change.... Biden does not represent change...... Biden represents the establishment of the liberal wing of the democratic party.

Richardson would have brought balance to Obama.

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I can't think like a potential Obama supporter but here's where I'd say the line of attack could be.

1. As you suggest, Biden is as insider as it gets. He's spent over 1/2 his life in the Senate - since his late 20's.

2. A two senator ticket with zero executive experience at any level.

3. The 2 senators have among the most liberal voting records of all senators.

In sum, change message diluted, no executive or business experience and no evidence of bi-partisan activity.

Whether these things sway independents and undecideds I cannot say.
 
#52
#52
TennNC said:
How's Richardson less entrenched than Biden? B/c Biden's been in the Senate a long time doesn't mean he's part of the power base.

Also, Obama's doing at least as well with Hispanic voters as Kerry did. He needs electoral help with working-class whites and Catholics, and Biden helps this.
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We are talking about the voting public and every thing is about perception.

Richardson presents himself frankly in a southern mannter. Very approachable and well spoken.... you cannot tell me Biden is that.

Please enlighten me how Biden will help with working class people?????????

Biden almost reaches the political trash level of Kerry's wonder boy.
 
#53
#53
volinbham said:
I can't think like a potential Obama supporter but here's where I'd say the line of attack could be.

1. As you suggest, Biden is as insider as it gets. He's spent over 1/2 his life in the Senate - since his late 20's.

2. A two senator ticket with zero executive experience at any level.

3. The 2 senators have among the most liberal voting records of all senators.

In sum, change message diluted, no executive or business experience and no evidence of bi-partisan activity.

Whether these things sway independents and undecideds I cannot say.
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Biden brings nothing to the table to help Obama.....

Obama really whiffed big time on this!
 
#55
#55
I don't know if Richardson would have helped more but he certainly has the best resume among the contenders.

Given the betrayal of the Clintons though, picking him as veep might have incurred even more wrath from them.
 
#57
#57
volinbham said:
I don't know if Richardson would have helped more but he certainly has the best resume among the contenders.

Given the betrayal of the Clintons though, picking him as veep might have incurred even more wrath from them.
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I considered that, but going back to joe voter would have viewed it as Obama reaching to the Clinton camp.
 
#58
#58
OrangeEmpire said:
We are talking about the voting public and every thing is about perception.

Richardson presents himself frankly in a southern mannter. Very approachable and well spoken.... you cannot tell me Biden is that.

Please enlighten me how Biden will help with working class people?????????

Biden almost reaches the political trash level of Kerry's wonder boy.
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OE, meet Joe Biden.

Joe Biden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I covered Congress for 3 years, and Biden was one of, if not THE most approachable members of Congress. He's very well spoken (even his opponents agree), and he grew up in a lower middle class family in Scranton, Pa, and is one of the least wealthy members of Congress in either party. His net worth is a whopping $366,000.
 
#60
#60
TennNC said:
His net worth is a whopping $366,000.
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I find that surprisingly low. I wonder how they calculate that. Surely his Washington pension alone has a value higher than that. Add in a home and unless the man is deeply in debt his networth should be considerably higher. (although still relatively low by Senatorial standards)
 
#61
#61
volinbham said:
I find that surprisingly low. I wonder how they calculate that. Surely his Washington pension alone has a value higher than that. Add in a home and unless the man is deeply in debt his networth should be considerably higher. (although still relatively low by Senatorial standards)
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It's not that hard to pile a truckload of assets into trusts and keep them away from calcs like net worth.
 
#62
#62
TennNC said:
he grew up in a lower middle class family in Scranton, Pa,
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I see he arguably grew up in Delaware (age 10 on) and attended a prep-school/boarding school.

Was he really lower middle class? Where does that information come from?
 
#63
#63
TennNC said:
OE, meet Joe Biden.

Joe Biden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I covered Congress for 3 years, and Biden was one of, if not THE most approachable members of Congress. He's very well spoken (even his opponents agree), and he grew up in a lower middle class family in Scranton, Pa, and is one of the least wealthy members of Congress in either party. His net worth is a whopping $366,000.
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Ok, I will do this one more time. I am not talking about you and I. I am talking about joe public. Biden comes off as an arrogant white a$$hole.

Richardson comes off as your friendly next door neighbor.

No matter how much you won't admit it, Biden is a terrible choice!
 
#64
#64
TennNC said:
Sorta like Bush/Cheney or Clinton/Gore.
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Say what you want, those you have mentioned are polar opposites on many different levels. I know you will not grant that to me but I believe those would be favorbale balanced tickets.

:eek:k:
 
#65
#65
OrangeEmpire said:
Ok, I will do this one more time. I am not talking about you and I. I am talking about joe public. Biden comes off as an arrogant white a$$hole.

Richardson comes off as your friendly next door neighbor.
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This is interesting. I wonder why you think Joe Public thinks this. And I wonder why Biden's race has anything to do with it. I'm not baiting you - I want to know.

Honestly, my hunch would be that (if we're talking negatives), Biden comes across as aggressive and no-nonsense, and Richardson comes across as sleazy, as being tied to the Clintons.

they're both smart, seasoned politicians, though.
 
#66
#66
OrangeEmpire said:
Say what you want, those you have mentioned are polar opposites on many different levels. I know you will not grant that to me but I believe those would be favorbale balanced tickets.

:eek:k:
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Opposite in terms of Bush preferring mountain biking, Cheney preferring hunting. Clinton preferring hamburgers, Gore preferring pizza.

Biden's a terrible choice in your mind.
 
#67
#67
TennNC said:
Opposite in terms of Bush preferring mountain biking, Cheney preferring hunting. Clinton preferring hamburgers, Gore preferring pizza.

Biden's a terrible choice in your mind.
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I don't like Bush or Cheney but that is a balanced ticket.

I love Clinton and can't stand Gore but they complimented each other very well.

Biden does not compliment Obama.
 
#68
#68
TennNC said:
This is interesting. I wonder why you think Joe Public thinks this. And I wonder why Biden's race has anything to do with it. I'm not baiting you - I want to know.

Honestly, my hunch would be that (if we're talking negatives), Biden comes across as aggressive and no-nonsense, and Richardson comes across as sleazy, as being tied to the Clintons.

they're both smart, seasoned politicians, though.
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Easy...... look at either of them on tv during an interview.

Biden is not inviting in any way and Richardson is fun loving.

As for race, that should be easy, only white people can be arrogant @$$holes.

@$$hole
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Fun Loving
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It must be hard to think Obama made a mistake...
 
#69
#69
OrangeEmpire said:
I don't like Bush or Cheney but that is a balanced ticket.

I love Clinton and can't stand Gore but they complimented each other very well.

Biden does not compliment Obama.
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How not? Obama was raised by a single parent, worked hard, made law review at Harvard, became a community organizer in the South side of Chicago, a teacher, a state legislator, and a Senator, and therefore he's a liberal elitist. He's also nailed for not having enough foreign policy experience and for being out of touch with the military and for not being aggressive enough and not connecting with working-class white voters, esp. Catholics.

Biden is a bulldog. He's from a working class Catholic family. He's got a son who's about to ship off to Iraq. He's been head of the Senate Foreign Relations committee for years and is regarded as a trusted source on foreign policy. And he's an older white guy.

There is no such thing as a perfect running mate, but I'll take my chances with Biden.

Gore and Clinton were both Southerners with similar policy views. Bush and Cheney were both rich, establishment white dudes from western/southwestern states with tons of the same family ties. do we really need to play this game?
 
#70
#70
OrangeEmpire said:
Easy...... look at either of them on tv during an interview.

Biden is not inviting in any way and Richardson is fun loving.

As for race, that should be easy, only white people can be arrogant @$$holes.

@$$hole
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Fun Loving
richardson_533.jpg


It must be hard to think Obama made a mistake...
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Wait - you produced 2 pictures? Say no more!!!!

Listen, if he'd picked Richardson, I'd get behind him 100%. But to say Biden was a huge mistake is a huge overstatement. You don't react well to the guy - there are others who'd say the same about BR.
 
#71
#71
TennNC said:
How not? Obama was raised by a single parent, worked hard, made law review at Harvard, became a community organizer in the South side of Chicago, a teacher, a state legislator, and a Senator, and therefore he's a liberal elitist. He's also nailed for not having enough foreign policy experience and for being out of touch with the military and for not being aggressive enough and not connecting with working-class white voters, esp. Catholics.

Biden is a bulldog. He's from a working class Catholic family. He's got a son who's about to ship off to Iraq. He's been head of the Senate Foreign Relations committee for years and is regarded as a trusted source on foreign policy. And he's an older white guy.

There is no such thing as a perfect running mate, but I'll take my chances with Biden.

Gore and Clinton were both Southerners with similar policy views. Bush and Cheney were both rich, establishment white dudes from western/southwestern states with tons of the same family ties. do we really need to play this game?
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If we didn't we wouldn't have a political forum......

For some reason you are taking this to left field.

Clinton was fun loving and Gore was serious.

The same can be said with Bush and Cheney.

I don't know why you are complicating this.

Biden is an awful choice, he brings nothing to help Obama.
 
#73
#73
TennNC said:
Wait - you produced 2 pictures? Say no more!!!!

Listen, if he'd picked Richardson, I'd get behind him 100%. But to say Biden was a huge mistake is a huge overstatement. You don't react well to the guy - there are others who'd say the same about BR.
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I can produce millions, it is called google...... Biden is as stiff as Kerry.......... Richardson is more appealing.

The Biden description is right on, Obama needs to pander to Clinton supporters.

I can't help it because you have a personal stake because you like Biden.
 
#74
#74
I've never liked Biden (shock, faint).

Power Line: Happiness is a thing called Joe

Barack Obama's selection of Joe Biden as his running mate is underwhelming for many reasons, but it affords an opportunity to review a few of the moments that might have provided all the embarrassment a normal man would have needed to escape from public life. Michael Crowley profiled Senator Biden for the New Republic in October 2001, opening with a memorable scene:

It's a bright early October morning on Capitol Hill. Joe Biden is bounding up the steps of the Russell Senate Office Building, wearing his trademark grin. As he makes for the door, he is met by a group of airline pilots and flight attendants looking vaguely heroic in their navy-blue uniforms and wing-shaped pins. A blandly handsome man in a pilot's cap steps forward and asks Biden to help pass emergency benefits for laid-off airline workers. Biden nods as the men and women cluster around him with fawning smiles. Then he speaks. "I hope you will support my work on Amtrak as much as I have supported you," he begins. (Biden rides Amtrak to work every day and is obsessed with the railroad.) "If not, I will screw you badly."

A dozen faces fall in unison as Biden lectures on. "You've not been good to me. You're also damn selfish. You better listen to me..." It goes on like this for a couple of minutes. Strangely, Biden keeps grinning--even fraternally slapping the stunned man's shoulder a couple of times. When we finally head into the building, Biden's communications director, Norm Kurz, turns to me. "What you just witnessed is classic Senator Biden."

Crowley also pointed out one of Biden's characteristic verbal tics, emphasizing the disparity between his jocular tone and his serious intent:

In an odd verbal tic, he routinely interrupts himself to offer the assurance that he's "not being facetious." He opened his May 17 tax cut speech by saying: "I find this the single most fascinating debate I have been involved in in 28 years. I sincerely do. It is not a joke. I am not being facetious." Or when the anti-terrorism bill came up on CNN's "Crossfire" last month: "In full disclosure, I wrote that bill. I'm not being facetious." When "Crossfire" host Bill Press offered Biden the avuncular assurance that "it's really a great bill," Biden pressed on: "No. No. I'm not being facetious. I'm not being facetious when I say that."
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#75
#75
MG1968 said:
I've never liked Biden (shock, faint).

Power Line: Happiness is a thing called Joe
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I have a Sgt. who is Joe Biden......

When I first met him I thought he was an @$$hole but once I got to know him he was actually attempting to be funny and serious.

TennNC can crap all he wants about the love child he had with Biden but Biden comes off in a negative light.

:birgits_giggle:
 
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