Obama shifts, says he may back offshore drilling

[allvol123]

I might agree with that in general -- but you sound as though they are entirely on the Obama side. Both sides of the political spectrum have ardent followers that tie themselves to parties without question.

Well followers on either side that tie their vote strictly to the letter beside the name of the candidate are certainly practicing lemmingesque behavior. I'd also suggest the rock star following Obama has garnered holds large numbers of people that would follow him over the cliff. The guy could change his opinions to the ones TennNC suggested and many of his current backers would think- "Wow, those are great ideas, never thought of things that way!".

 

[joevol320]

i think he's saying that because almost 70% of Americans want to drill. he knows it will get nowhere in the senate and pelosi and reid will make sure of that. yeah he change his position. in fact, he could come and promise all the offshore drilling and open anwar with knowing full well that it will never come to a vote. all he has to say is that he tried but the senate voted it down. so it's an easy "compromise"

 

[Lexvol]

I think Obama should come out and say he's against corporate windfall taxes, for the flat tax rate, against abortion, against all forms of welfare, against public education, and for offshore drilling, just so I could observe you all criticize him for changing his stance.

Says the poster who just realized he has been investing time and energy into an empty suit.

 

[KB5252]

I think Obama should come out and say he's against corporate windfall taxes, for the flat tax rate, against abortion, against all forms of welfare, against public education, and for offshore drilling, just so I could observe you all criticize him for changing his stance.

Come on TennNC you know this change in his position is probably a result of his absurd statement about inflating tires and tuning up cars the other day. I wish his followers would just admit he is not the man they thought he was and the more he opens his mouth the more it hurts him. We have moved on to substance and Obama has taken hits, he simply is not that great a communicator and his inexperience has shown greatly recently.

 

[joevol320]

Come on TennNC you know this change in his position is probably a result of his absurd statement about inflating tires and tuning up cars the other day. I wish his followers would just admit he is not the man they thought he was and the more he opens his mouth the more it hurts him. We have moved on to substance and Obama has taken hits, he simply is not that great a communicator and his inexperience has shown greatly recently.

i don't know why people think he's such smooth speaker. no one has mentioned any of the mistakes he's made while speaking. didn't he see dead peope in South dakota, and he was proud of travelling the 57 states, he also said that kids that go to the ER get a breathalizer for asthma. he is no where near the great speaker the press makes him out to be.

 

[TennNC]

Have you criticized McCain for changing his stance on any issues?

I haven't criticized him for changing his stance to one I agreed with. My main criticism is that he bent over for the Bush administration and took it up the ying yang so that he could get their support in this campaign. Despite being vilified by those same people in 2000.

My point is that some criticized Obama for opposing offshore drilling (which, as part of overall energy policy I still think is overblown and could drastically boost sales for Tar Off), then when he said he was open to it, they still criticized him.

The guy can't win with some posters on here. I wonder why.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

I haven't criticized him for changing his stance to one I agreed with. My main criticism is that he bent over for the Bush administration and took it up the ying yang so that he could get their support in this campaign. Despite being vilified by those same people in 2000.

My point is that some criticized Obama for opposing offshore drilling (which, as part of overall energy policy I still think is overblown and could drastically boost sales for Tar Off), then when he said he was open to it, they still criticized him.

The guy can't win with some posters on here. I wonder why.

Cause he is the devil?

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[KB5252]

I haven't criticized him for changing his stance to one I agreed with. My main criticism is that he bent over for the Bush administration and took it up the ying yang so that he could get their support in this campaign. Despite being vilified by those same people in 2000.

My point is that some criticized Obama for opposing offshore drilling (which, as part of overall energy policy I still think is overblown and could drastically boost sales for Tar Off), then when he said he was open to it, they still criticized him.

The guy can't win with some posters on here. I wonder why.

TennNC don't you believe the comments from Obama pertaining to inflating tires and tune ups making up for the price of gas is absurd? Do you think that statement had anything to do with his change of stance on the issue? I just find the timing convenient. Just a couple of days ago he was defending his policy by making the absurd statement about gas prices and properly serviced cars.

 

[joevol320]

TennNC don't you believe the comments from Obama pertaining to inflating tires and tune ups making up for the price of gas is absurd? Do you think that statement had anything to do with his change of stance on the issue? I just find the timing convenient. Just a couple of days ago he was defending his policy by making the absurd statement about gas prices and properly serviced cars.

that's like when Streisan said we should all hang our clothes dry instead of using a dryer to save energy. or when sheryl crow advised us to use only a couple of squares of toilet paper. These lib elitests constantly preach to us how live our lives when they would never think about practicing what they preach. it's insulting and arrogant of them.

 

[volinbham]

My point is that some criticized Obama for opposing offshore drilling (which, as part of overall energy policy I still think is overblown and could drastically boost sales for Tar Off), then when he said he was open to it, they still criticized him.

Surely you can understand the cynicism. Just last week he scoffed at off-shore production as a "scheme". It's hard to know where this man stands on the issue. His new position (if it is a position) conflicts with the WPT position he apparently holds.

 

[bwyatt1]

I don't think it is flip-flopping to say you would be open to an idea as part of a compromise to get legislation through. Perhaps things would get done if more Congressmen were willing to do this.

 

[joevol320]

I don't think it is flip-flopping to say you would be open to an idea as part of a compromise to get legislation through. Perhaps things would get done if more Congressmen were willing to do this.

compromise is one thing, but when you've been campaigning for over a year on certain issues and then change your stance a couple of months from election is a flip-flop. compromise is made as the bill is being written or discussed. i see your point bwyatt1, i just think it's a little too late. it's the same with his troop withdraw, he promised a quick withdraw, and has already adjusted his position once he secured the nomination. at least Hillary was consistant through the primaries concerning the withdraw.

 

[volinbham]

I don't think it is flip-flopping to say you would be open to an idea as part of a compromise to get legislation through. Perhaps things would get done if more Congressmen were willing to do this.

I don't think it's necessarily a flip-flop but he's been hammering on McCain and others that this is a bad idea. Now, he doesn't think it's a bad idea? If it's such a bad idea, why not fight it? Oh yeah, because you get more votes if you change.

I'd feel different about it if Obama hadn't been so adamant about what a bad idea it is.

 

[KB5252]

I don't think it is flip-flopping to say you would be open to an idea as part of a compromise to get legislation through. Perhaps things would get done if more Congressmen were willing to do this.

But less than a week ago he was against offshore drilling and even proposed a WPT on oil companies. He publicly stated that the only thing that concerned him was how quickly the price rose, not the price. He was defending his position less than a week ago by saying we could make up the price difference by properly servicing our cars. Take into account McCain gaining ground on Obama and this reeks of flip flop on a terrible policy on energy out of touch with the majority of Americans.

 

[truefan]

Can't say I'm surprised. He's this election's version of John Kerry -- a total flip-flopper.My Way News - Obama shifts, says he may back offshore drilling

So, you can't change your mind? It means you are a "flip-flopper"? I would much rather a leader change his mind to a correct/proper stance on a certain issue than for one to never bend at all..a la W Bush!

It always kills me when some of the far right conservatives say "At least the man has priniciples and stands by them" Horsesh---t! If a man's prinicples are fundamentally wrong, then I am not going to have much respect for him

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Time to be honest, Obama flipped his position because he just found this out.


Media Near-Secret: Exxon's Taxes Almost 3x As Much As Profits | NewsBusters.org


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[OrangeEmpire]

So, you can't change your mind? It means you are a "flip-flopper"? I would much rather a leader change his mind to a correct/proper stance on a certain issue than for one to never bend at all..a la W Bush!

It always kills me when some of the far right conservatives say "At least the man has priniciples and stands by them" Horsesh---t! If a man's prinicples are fundamentally wrong, then I am not going to have much respect for him

Wait a tick......... you are admitting that Obama is wrong about something?

This world is going to end!

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[volinbham]

Bravo to Mr. Obama for his brave choice.

"When I'm president, I intend to keep in place the moratorium here in Florida and around the country that prevents oil companies from drilling off Florida's coasts," Obama told reporters in Jacksonville in late June. "That's how we can protect our coastline and still make the investments that will reduce our dependence on foreign oil and bring down gas prices for good."

Even as recently as Thursday, Obama refused to cede any ground, calling McCain's proposal "a strategy designed to get politicians through an election." Watch McCain defends his drilling position »

"It's not going to provide short-term relief or medium-term relief or in fact long-term relief. It won't drop prices in this administration or in the next administration or in the administration after that," Obama said while campaigning in Iowa.

According to the poll, 69 percent favor offshore drilling and 30 percent oppose it.

Obama says offshore drilling stance nothing new - CNN.com

If you don't see this as ploy to grab votes then you aren't paying attention. He blasts McCain for doing it for votes, says it will have no effect and is staunchly against it, then realizes it will work against him getting elected and "poof" a new position.

 

[bwyatt1]

I don't think it's necessarily a flip-flop but he's been hammering on McCain and others that this is a bad idea. Now, he doesn't think it's a bad idea? If it's such a bad idea, why not fight it? Oh yeah, because you get more votes if you change.

I'd feel different about it if Obama hadn't been so adamant about what a bad idea it is.

I don't know that he thinks it is necessarily a good idea, but it may be one of the things necessary to get a comprehensive plan through. He is willing to get behind a plan that has limited off-shore drilling assuming there are other criteria met that he thinks are important and necessary. Sure this move may be partially political, but I don't care because we need a compromise. We need to be taking advantage of our own oil, at the same time investing in alternative energy technology.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

I don't know that he thinks it is necessarily a good idea, but it may be one of the things necessary to get a comprehensive plan through. He is willing to get behind a plan that has limited off-shore drilling assuming there are other criteria met that he thinks are important and necessary. Sure this move may be partially political, but I don't care because we need a compromise. We need to be taking advantage of our own oil, at the same time investing in alternative energy technology.

:hi:

 

[KB5252]

So, you can't change your mind? It means you are a "flip-flopper"? I would much rather a leader change his mind to a correct/proper stance on a certain issue than for one to never bend at all..a la W Bush!

It always kills me when some of the far right conservatives say "At least the man has priniciples and stands by them" Horsesh---t! If a man's prinicples are fundamentally wrong, then I am not going to have much respect for him

Obama has tried very hard not to change his stances but it is only after they are proven to be absolutely wrong or indefensible that he changes them. For example Wright, Energy, Iraq etc. He is showing just how naive he is on policies, reminds me a lot of W Bush. Exactly what we don't need, another inexperienced president. That is my issue with Obama. But what do I know, I criticize Obama on his policies so I must be race baiting right?

 

[KB5252]

I don't know that he thinks it is necessarily a good idea, but it may be one of the things necessary to get a comprehensive plan through. He is willing to get behind a plan that has limited off-shore drilling assuming there are other criteria met that he thinks are important and necessary. Sure this move may be partially political, but I don't care because we need a compromise. We need to be taking advantage of our own oil, at the same time investing in alternative energy technology.

And this my friend has been McCain's stance for sometime now!

 

[volinbham]

I don't know that he thinks it is necessarily a good idea, but it may be one of the things necessary to get a comprehensive plan through. He is willing to get behind a plan that has limited off-shore drilling assuming there are other criteria met that he thinks are important and necessary. Sure this move may be partially political, but I don't care because we need a compromise. We need to be taking advantage of our own oil, at the same time investing in alternative energy technology.

I think it's more than partially political and my criticism is based on that.

I'm all for a comprehensive plan and have thought from the beginning that domestic oil production is a key part of that. I wish Obama and the Democratic leadership would have come to this conclusion sooner.

 

[volinbham]

At least he's consistent

(CNN) -- Barack Obama on Monday called for tapping into strategic oil reserves as part of his plan to provide relief from high gas prices.

Obama has previously said he was opposed to using the strategic reserves.

Ironically, the impact of tapping the SOR would have about the same effect as a gas tax holiday - wasn't that a gimmick?

Obama calls for tapping into strategic oil reserves - CNN.com

 

[bwyatt1]

And this my friend has been McCain's stance for sometime now!

I don't think it has been that long.

But this is just one of many issues. On this issue I disagreed with Obama, so I'm glad to see it shift. I tend to agree with Obama's positions more often than McCain's. Not to mention, the McCain campaign has been really off-putting and sad, IMO.