Obama shifts, says he may back offshore drilling

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bwyatt1 said:
I don't think it has been that long.

But this is just one of many issues. On this issue I disagreed with Obama, so I'm glad to see it shift. I tend to agree with Obama's positions more often than McCain's. Not to mention, the McCain campaign has been really off-putting and sad, IMO.
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Just want to know your perspective. How So?
 
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KB5252 said:
Obama has tried very hard not to change his stances but it is only after they are proven to be absolutely wrong or indefensible that he changes them. For example Wright, Energy, Iraq etc. He is showing just how naive he is on policies, reminds me a lot of W Bush. Exactly what we don't need, another inexperienced president. That is my issue with Obama. But what do I know, I criticize Obama on his policies so I must be race baiting right?
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I think both of these issues are still highly debated on what is the right policy. You can only be proved naive on policy after something has completed and you have looked back on it. Neither Iraq nor the energy issue have any sort of resolution at this point.

Drilling has been said to take 10 years (according to the EIA and US Dept of Energy)with peak drilling not until 20 years. These same agencies also state that the peak drilling would be an estimated .2% of world production. This impact on oil pricing would be negligible. Combine this with the fact that most people believe it's oil speculation that is driving prices -- then supply and demand are even less relevant in impacting oil prices. Drilling offshore won't do what they say it will.
 
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You can, and should change stances, opinions depending on economic realitites. Back when oil was $19-$40 a barrel, the debate had no public support, but at $120-$145 a different story all together. IMO, if a candidate comes out and says I thought this because.... and now I've changed my stance on said opinion because of this..., the voting public will give you the benefit of doubt.
 
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iceman9 said:
You can, and should change stances, opinions depending on economic realitites. Back when oil was $19-$40 a barrel, the debate had no public support, but at $120-$145 a different story all together. IMO, if a candidate comes out and says I thought this because.... and now I've changed my stance on said opinion because of this..., the voting public will give you the benefit of doubt.
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I generally agree and this mirrors McCain's history on the issue. (although he's certainly guilty on the Bush tax cut issue)

Obama has changed his stance as oil prices and gas prices have dropped slightly. It's hard to argue that conditions have motivated the change other than political conditions. He's also not acknowledging it as a change in position.
 
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volinbham said:
I generally agree and this mirrors McCain's history on the issue. (although he's certainly guilty on the Bush tax cut issue)

Obama has changed his stance as oil prices and gas prices have dropped slightly. It's hard to argue that conditions have motivated the change other than political conditions. He's also not acknowledging it as a change in position.
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Agree, and I think thats why he takes the criticism that he does. Come out and say I've changed my opinion because of this......We may criticize his original stance, but may applaud his change, that is, if we beleive him.
 
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I don't necessarily believe McCain on the issue either but at least he admits he changed and the conditions between his original stance and current stance are more plausible reasons for change. That puts him a bit higher on the political credibility scale (which is a pretty low bar).
 
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truefan said:
So, you can't change your mind? It means you are a "flip-flopper"? I would much rather a leader change his mind to a correct/proper stance on a certain issue than for one to never bend at all..a la W Bush!

It always kills me when some of the far right conservatives say "At least the man has priniciples and stands by them" Horsesh---t! If a man's prinicples are fundamentally wrong, then I am not going to have much respect for him
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if you don't agree the principle then don't vote for that canidate. but keeping principle are different than changing positions that is politically expedient.
 
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joevol320 said:
if you don't agree the principle then don't vote. that's different than changing positions that is politically expedient.
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Any change from an unpopular to a popular idea is going to be looked at as politically motivated. I don't see what the issue is with someone saying "you know, given the information I am receiving, I have changed my mind."
I think he is wrong though.
 
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emainvol said:
Any change from an unpopular to a popular idea is going to be looked at as politically motivated. I don't see what the issue is with someone saying "you know, given the information I am receiving, I have changed my mind."
I think he is wrong though.
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Just to beat the dead horse...

What information changed between Thursday and Saturday?

You think he's wrong for changing position or you think his new position is wrong?
 
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emainvol said:
Any change from an unpopular to a popular idea is going to be looked at as politically motivated. I don't see what the issue is with someone saying "you know, given the information I am receiving, I have changed my mind."
I think he is wrong though.
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This particular instance aside, politicians admitting mistakes and making moves to correct them might be a monumental move in the right direction for the U.S. I don't expect them to be perfect, but I also don't expect them to think that they are perfect.
 
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volinbham said:
Just to beat the dead horse...

What information changed between Thursday and Saturday?

You think he's wrong for changing position or you think his new position is wrong?
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Both, but hey, I am not running for President either.
 
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emainvol said:
Any change from an unpopular to a popular idea is going to be looked at as politically motivated. I don't see what the issue is with someone saying "you know, given the information I am receiving, I have changed my mind."
I think he is wrong though.
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i understand that, i think the issue is that the prices were going up all through the primaries, it dominate the news and it has affected our economy. but not once did hillary or obama talk about drilling, it was all about making the oil companies pay for making a profit. to suddenly change a position after such staunch resistance does look really bad. but i understand what your saying about changing your mind, sometimes you have to.
 
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what? i wasn't being serious. WOW. i was referring to MG posts about the rumors of being a communist etc....
 
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KB5252 said:
Just want to know your perspective. How So?
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The lame attack ads, the horrible speech in front of the green screen, the gaffes. In my opinion, if you contrast the campaigns, McCain's seems poorly managed. That may not be all his fault, but it does show some error in judgement that, I think, could be a sign of things to come.
 
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joevol320 said:
what? i wasn't being serious. WOW. i was referring to MG posts about the rumors of being a communist etc....
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I got it but when using a term so steeped in racial prejudice you turn people off or just plain piss them off. Just came off wrong. If you were to use the term African American as a describer I think people would have gotten the humor in it.
 
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bwyatt1 said:
The lame attack ads, the horrible speech in front of the green screen, the gaffes. In my opinion, if you contrast the campaigns, McCain's seems poorly managed. That may not be all his fault, but it does show some error in judgement that, I think, could be a sign of things to come.
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All these things have been present in the Obama campaign as well. I would argue Obama's gaffs equal to or perhaps worse than McCains. It's all about perspective, depending on your political leanings you see what you want to.
 
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KB5252 said:
I got it but when using a term so steeped in racial prejudice you turn people off or just plain piss them off. Just came off wrong. If you were to use the term African American as a describer I think people would have gotten the humor in it.
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yeah, your right. but i hate that term African-American.

i was saying that way because it was as extreme him being a communist.
 
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joevol320 said:
yeah, your right. but i hate that term African-American.

i was saying that way because it was as extreme him being a communist.
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I don't know about that. Look into who it was that endorsed him to take her seat in Illinois. Hint, they were associated with communists and this person even went to Russia, supposedly attended communist workshops. Bottom line is I don't know if Obama is a communist but he has had many friends and mentors who were. It is only safe to say he holds socialist views and I'll leave it at that.
 
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KB5252 said:
I don't know about that. Look into who it was that endorsed him to take her seat in Illinois. Hint, they were associated with communists and this person even went to Russia, supposedly attended communist workshops. Bottom line is I don't know if Obama is a communist but he has had many friends and mentors who were. It is only safe to say he holds socialist views and I'll leave it at that.
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He openly admits it, read his books!​
 
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