Obama shifts, says he may back offshore drilling

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Sorry, to me he comes off as a pompous jackass like most of these politicians with their talk of how they "may" allow some "limited" drilling. If he needs his "team" to form an opinion on how energy is supplied then he does not "get" it. He is a piece of crap and I am tired of watching his garbage. He could proclaim up is down and straight is crooked, and most of his supporters would trip over each other in their stampede to agree with him. He is an idiot, I am sick of these pukes thinking they are doing someone a favor by pretending they are knowledgeable on how resources should be "managed".
 
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myrobbins7 said:
TT did Obama send you one of those free Obama tire gauges or something? :)
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Yeah..and I was 5 psi under on 2 tires.

No....seriously..if he did, I would have never seen it. It would be hiding under my wife's pillow so that she could have sweet Obama dreams....blah.
 
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allvol123 said:
Sorry, to me he comes off as a pompous jackass like most of these politicians with their talk of how they "may" allow some "limited" drilling. If he needs his "team" to form an opinion on how energy is supplied then he does not "get" it. He is a piece of crap and I am tired of watching his garbage. He could proclaim up is down and straight is crooked, and most of his supporters would trip over each other in their stampede to agree with him. He is an idiot, I am sick of these pukes thinking they are doing someone a favor by pretending they are knowledgeable on how resources should be "managed".
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Yeah....see...I don't get torn up about that. It's just a different approach. When McCain changed his mind about off-shore drilling it wasn't because he finally saw the light and it probably wasn't even all that driven by economics (in the sense that we should do it now because oil is worth more). It was politics...he did it because it would look bad not to and it isn't a battle worth fighting. The oil companies probably won't even pump all that much from there...at least not for a while. And...I think that he made the right call...and soon enough that he didn't look like an idiot...and I think that is because he has better advisers in this area. Resources do need to be managed to some degree I think...so it doesn't bother me like it does you.
 
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myrobbins7 said:
I wonder if Obama understands who will really be paying for those checks? It sure won't be Exxon, BP and so on.:whistling: Pass it on down....
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So...something I've been wondering....they can't just pass the windfall tax down dollar for dollar, right? If they increase prices to recover the losses then their profit goes up, right? Then, the revenue collected would go up...technically there would be no end - but realistically you expect there would be an end. Just something that seemed a bit odd to me....eventually you're going to be into the tenths and hundred of cents increases (theoretically), so I guess it does reach some kind of practical limit. I guess I'm just wondering how much is actually passed along...
 
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myrobbins7 said:
I wonder if Obama understands who will really be paying for those checks? It sure won't be Exxon, BP and so on.:whistling: Pass it on down....
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Of course he does. Between WPT, energy rebate checks, using the emergency reserves, and finally acknowledging that offshore drilling has some merit...this all points to the fact that he "gets" it on energy.
 
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Like I said..."getting" it pertains more to energy innovation strategy and the impact of technology on the economy...so take that for what it's worth, and second-hand at that. Also, Obama will continue to be handicapped by a party that, IMO, does not employ a successful energy strategy...and he probably has a lot of those views as well - though he seems to be a bit different than some of the hardliners. I look forward to reading more about his energy policy this week as he discusses it more, but there is little doubt that McCain's strategy is more solid at this point, IMO.
 
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TennTradition said:
Yeah....see...I don't get torn up about that. It's just a different approach. When McCain changed his mind about off-shore drilling it wasn't because he finally saw the light and it probably wasn't even all that driven by economics (in the sense that we should do it now because oil is worth more). It was politics...he did it because it would look bad not to and it isn't a battle worth fighting. The oil companies probably won't even pump all that much from there...at least not for a while. And...I think that he made the right call...and soon enough that he didn't look like an idiot...and I think that is because he has better advisers in this area. Resources do need to be managed to some degree I think...so it doesn't bother me like it does you.
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Oh, I am sure we disagree on who needs to manage them and to what degree. Not a slight towards you, it just is what it is.

Sorry, I just don't get that enthused about the government telling people how something should be managed.
 
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allvol123 said:
Oh, I am sure we disagree on who needs to manage them and to what degree. Not a slight towards you, it just is what it is.

Sorry, I just don't get that enthused about the government telling people how something should be managed.
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I agree - we do disagree on this, and it isn't meant as a slight towards you. I also think that there is a big difference between physically controlling resources (a company has something but isn't allowed to sell it) vs. controlling access to resources. At times, I believe controlling access is called for.
 
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myrobbins7 said:
So what about all the taxes big oil already pays, is that not enough for Obama?
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I'm not suggesting that they should do this...because even this isn't a smart idea. But, wouldn't it seem more defensible to require these companies to increase their funding of alternative energy by an amount equal to what would be imposed through a windfall tax rather than collecting the tax in the interest of spurring energy innovation?
 
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TennTradition said:
I agree - we do disagree on this, and it isn't meant as a slight towards you. I also think that there is a big difference between physically controlling resources (a company has something but isn't allowed to sell it) vs. controlling access to resources. At times, I believe controlling access is called for.
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I'd say what we are paying for energy today is due in part to the restriction on access to these resources that have put in place the last 30+ years. Again, I do not trust these people much. In fact, I trust businessmen much more. At least it is known they are out for their own good.
 
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allvol123 said:
I'd say what we are paying for energy today is due in part to the restriction on access to these resources that have put in place the last 30+ years. Again, I do not trust these people much. In fact, I trust businessmen much more. At least it is known they are out for their own good.
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Energy prices may be higher because of some of these restrictions...they probably are because of some of the restrictions in Alaska. However, the recent price increases (doubling of oil essentially) have little to do with access.
 
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Ok TT. I'm out of here. I wish you would spend more time inventing some way to utilize alternative energy instead of spending so much time on here though.

:)
 
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allvol123 said:
Ok TT. I'm out of here. I wish you would spend more time inventing some way to utilize alternative energy instead of spending so much time on here though.

:)
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Yeah...my wife does too :).

Edit: Wow...that could be taken in the wrong way. Let me clarify...she would like for me to dedicate 24 hrs. a day to getting the heck out of here.
 
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TT. You know your stuff man. When you get rich off this stuff, will you send all of us small folks $1000 just like Obama? :)
 
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myrobbins7 said:
TT. You know your stuff man. When you get rich off this stuff, will you send all of us small folks $1000 just like Obama? :)
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I'm just trying to find the right person to rub shoulders with so that I can make sure I get my $1000 when he/she starts doing it out - but I'll make sure to put in a good word for you. When I combine that with my Obamoolah, I'll have enough to pay for a nice drive down to Tennessee and back (once the WPT is in effect) :).
 
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