Obama: The great jobs killer?

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overseasorange2 said:
Why do people like you always assume people are on unemployment because they want to be. I could not care less about any country in the Middle East.
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Where did you get that silliness?

Free money has proven to be an insidious usurper of go-get-'em. Period. There is no debate that further extensions of unemployment exacerbate unemployment. Hence, it's better to end the charade and make unemployment unbearable. Unbearable is an incentive.
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I personally know 4-5 people that have college degrees and have been unemployed more than two years. They are not lazy people. There is a recession out there, or have you not heard.
 
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overseasorange2 said:
I personally know 4-5 people that have college degrees and have been unemployed more than two years. They are not lazy people. There is a recession out there, or have you not heard.
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If they aren't lazy, they're dumb as hammers.
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overseasorange2 said:
I personally know 4-5 people that have college degrees and have been unemployed more than two years. They are not lazy people. There is a recession out there, or have you not heard.
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I would bet that without the crutch of unemployment pay they would have a job. I'd prefer to work at the 7-11 down the street than take the same amount of money from the gov't
 
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utvolpj said:
I would bet that without the crutch of unemployment pay they would have a job. I'd prefer to work at the 7-11 down the street than take the same amount of money from the gov't
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Gosh, so many noble people on here. Not too smart, but noble.
 
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overseasorange2 said:
Gosh, so many noble people on here. Not too smart, but noble.
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what's dumb about preferring to earn a living rather than take a handout from the gov't? Please explain how EBT card > paycheck

you have a choice about how you put food on the table
 
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utvolpj said:
I would bet that without the crutch of unemployment pay they would have a job. I'd prefer to work at the 7-11 down the street than take the same amount of money from the gov't
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And by working at the 7-11, instead of taking unemployment, you are not looking for the professional job that any college grad wants. :eek:hmy:
 
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overseasorange2 said:
Good for you. You keep thinking that people that are unemployed somehow deserve it. I guess it makes you feel more comfort that it couldn't happen to you:cray:
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I didnt say they deserve it. I'm saying that remaining unemployed after two years isn't trying to find gainful employment. Extendig thise people more benefits is classic motive robbing welfare.
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overseasorange2 said:
And by working at the 7-11, instead of taking unemployment, you are not looking for the professional job that any college grad wants. :eek:hmy:
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and that's the point. They are unemployed because they choose to be (won't lower themselves to work a lower paying job) and not because they can't find any work.

I have a degree and would not enjoy working at the 7-11 but I would do it to keep my house and feed my family. Just because you have a job doesn't mean you stop looking and make it a career. Heck, I'm always looking for better opportunities
 
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overseasorange2 said:
And by working at the 7-11, instead of taking unemployment, you are not looking for the professional job that any college grad wants. :eek:hmy:
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WTF difference does a diploma make? Those are easy to come by and newer ones are dramatically cheaper than older ones. You've implied a particular job is below them yet are supporting them in two years of joblessness and are advocating more guv'mint cheese. Nice POV.
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I had a huge conflict in college when my favorite college professor made the case for FDR. I should say, to this day he is the brightest person I've ever met. I finally asked him about it one day. His response was that people were too proud to accept handouts, so the govt had to put them to work (simplified but that was the gist of it). My...how the mighty have fallen.
 
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Lexvol said:
I had a huge conflict in college when my favorite college professor made the case for FDR. I should say, to this day he is the brightest person I've ever met. I finally asked him about it one day. His response was that people were too proud to accept handouts, so the govt had to put them to work (simplified but that was the gist of it). My...how the mighty have fallen.
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Generations of handouts have eroded any semblance of pride in millions. Two years of unemployment have done the same.
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I was unemployed for three months last year. By collecting unemployment you agree to look for a job. I spent 8 hours a day in that time often applying for 4-5 jobs a day. If I took a job at Walmart, I would not have been able to do that. After 3 months, I got 4 job offers. As a professional, I am now being paid what I deserve( I would have to work at Walmart quite a long time to make what I make now...5 years). After working for thirty years and paying rather high taxes, I had no problem letting the government help me in my time of need. I did not make the rules...I just followed them.

Now If I just took any job. I don't think that would have been too smart for me or my family. But what do I know....
 
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overseasorange2 said:
I was unemployed for three months last year. By collecting unemployment you agree to look for a job. I spent 8 hours a day in that time often applying for 4-5 jobs a day. If I took a job at Walmart, I would not have been able to do that. After 3 months, I got 4 job offers. As a professional, I am now being paid what I deserve( I would have to work at Walmart quite a long time to make what I make now...5 years). After working for thirty years and paying rather high taxes, I had no problem letting the government help me in my time of need. I did not make the rules...I just followed them.

Now If I just took any job. I don't think that would have been too smart for me or my family. But what do I know....
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Deserve is the key word here. You don't deserve anything. You are paid what you are worth in the marketplace.
 
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overseasorange2 said:
I was unemployed for three months last year. By collecting unemployment you agree to look for a job. I spent 8 hours a day in that time often applying for 4-5 jobs a day. If I took a job at Walmart, I would not have been able to do that. After 3 months, I got 4 job offers. As a professional, I am now being paid what I deserve( I would have to work at Walmart quite a long time to make what I make now...5 years). After working for thirty years and paying rather high taxes, I had no problem letting the government help me in my time of need. I did not make the rules...I just followed them.

Now If I just took any job. I don't think that would have been too smart for me or my family. But what do I know....
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I'm with Lex. Nobody deserves anything. We're not a birthright nation.

I have no issue with folks using unemployment for the very limited timeframe for which it is intended. Hell, I have no problem with people taking 100% of every penny they've paid in. Beyond one year is simply too much. It's welfare at that point.
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Wasnt sure where to post this... in the Jobs or the Global Warming or the Obama is going to double exports in 10 years thread

The Bucyrus Travesty - WSJ.com

Last Thursday, the U.S. Export-Import Bank (a governtment program) denied loan guarantees to Reliance Power Ltd., an Indian utility building a coal-fired power plant near Sasan, India. Bucyrus International Inc., a South Milwaukee-based manufacturer, was ready to export some $310 million in mining equipment—and about $600 million over three years—but Reliance's order was contingent on the favorable financing rates provided by the Ex-Im guarantee. Reliance cancelled the order Monday morning and will reboot with Bucyrus's competitors in China or Belarus if the bank doesn't reverse in the coming days.

The Reliance-Bucyrus deal met all of the Export-Import Bank's qualifying criteria, including the tougher environmental and CO2 standards that the White House has imposed over the last several months. But the bank nonetheless rejected the project in a 2-to-1 vote under pressure from the Treasury and State Departments. "We were absolutely flabbergasted and shocked," Bucyrus CEO Tim Sullivan told us in an interview.
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Bucyrus is a company that builds massive earth moving equipment and has been an American industrial power for over a century. Its equipment helped build the Panama Canal. If this deal doesnt go through because of a govt agency wont guarantee the loans, it will cost Bucyrus and the state of Wisconsin 1000's of jobs. The U.S. Export-Import Bank wont guarantee the loans because of the projects carbon footprint.
 
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overseasorange2 said:
I was unemployed for three months last year. By collecting unemployment you agree to look for a job. I spent 8 hours a day in that time often applying for 4-5 jobs a day. If I took a job at Walmart, I would not have been able to do that. After 3 months, I got 4 job offers. As a professional, I am now being paid what I deserve( I would have to work at Walmart quite a long time to make what I make now...5 years). After working for thirty years and paying rather high taxes, I had no problem letting the government help me in my time of need. I did not make the rules...I just followed them.

Now If I just took any job. I don't think that would have been too smart for me or my family. But what do I know....
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you were unemployed for 3 months, not 2 years. anyone unemployed for 2 years is a) lazy, b) not accepting reality (i.e need to switch industries or take less money), c) incompetent, and/or d) stupid.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I'm with Lex. Nobody deserves anything. We're not a birthright nation.

I have no issue with folks using unemployment for the very limited timeframe for which it is intended. Hell, I have no problem with people taking 100% of every penny they've paid in. Beyond one year is simply too much. It's welfare at that point.
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We should be guaranteed a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of hapiness. That is all we deserve.
 
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Lexvol said:
Deserve is the key word here. You don't deserve anything. You are paid what you are worth in the marketplace.
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Well obviously my current company thinks I deserved the pay increase I got compared to my previous employer:)

Any employment counselor will tell you that looking for a job is a full-time job. Why should I work 40 hours a week at a fast food chain, when I can let the government pay me the same amount while I look for job in my profession? I, myself, think that is rather logical. So did the unemployment center...by the way. I don't mean forever, I mean for awhile.

If I took the job at the fast food chain, I would question my intelligence. I did the right thing for me and my family at the time. I have yet to meet someone that was overjoyed by their job loss. I sure hope you are not in buisiness:eek:lol:.

Being in the oil biz for thirty years, I have survived many layoffs. It's funny how the surviving employees always justify an employees layoff. All of a sudden they were not such good employees. I think people do this to ease their concerns. They don't want to think that their company would lay-off a good employee, because that rocks their security.


Anyway, instead of the government supporting these slackers, let's send the money to poor Ahab in Iraq(which was my original debate here).

Signing off.....:hi:
 
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Are you upstream or downstream? After 30 years in the oil business you probably still have the "cradle to grave" mentality that used to be prevalent in the oil business. Share with us the number of weeks/months pay you, and your 4-5 friends received when separated.
 
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