Obama to back religious freedom at Islam dinner

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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Have you actually read the Bible and are a Christian?? If so, this would be an easy subject for you to know about. The Bible and the Muslim book are very specific on who is what and what is who. It's all good, I get a feeling in this thread, there are more atheists telling me what I should think and feel, than actual Christian people. I could be wrong though, but it doesn't feel like I am.
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i've studied the bible and other religions in detail. of course i learned that from the catholics and jesuits. another sect you probably think aren't real christians.
 
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utvolpj said:
please don't try and act like you're now an expert on real Islam too.
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Do you even know what the Qur'an says?? At least I have educated myself about it to know that there are too many verses in it that advocate killing people who don't believe in Islam. Want me to list a few, or do you want to Google it for yourself?? It's not hard to find.
 
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utvolpj said:
they will spend eternity in a painful, fiery hell (but in a completely non-violent way)
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they also love the gays, but just want them to know that their actions are sending them to hell. you know. because they are nice and loving like jesus/
 
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droski said:
i've studied the bible and other religions in detail. of course i learned that from the catholics and jesuits. another sect you probably think aren't real christians.
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I spent the first 18 years of my life studying the bible. I was raised in the Church of Christ. They taught that while the New Testament was law, the Old Testament gave us examples to live by.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Have you actually read the Bible and are a Christian?? If so, this would be an easy subject for you to know about. The Bible and the Muslim book are very specific on who is what and what is who. It's all good, I get a feeling in this thread, there are more atheists telling me what I should think and feel, than actual Christian people. I could be wrong though, but it doesn't feel like I am.
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so only a Christian would truly understand the word of God? And why doesn't this apply to Islam?
 
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utvolpj said:
so only a Christian would truly understand the word of God? And why doesn't this apply to Islam?
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Yes sir!! To act like any other answer is acceptable, is nonsense to me and any other Christian alive. Go ask one that same question and see if you don't get the same response 9 out of 10 times. Your always going to have that 1 person though that tries to say that non-Christians should get in the Word first, but that's a big mistake and causes more problems than it does answering questions.

In response to the question you asked about Muslims, if they commit violence and spread hate towards the US, why in the world is it that hard to understand that they don't like us and they want to kill us and all other infidels they can??
 
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droski said:
so those that would have burned you for your views at that time were what? misguided? whose to say the current radical sect of islam isn't similarly misguided?
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Are you making an assumption here, or just wishing?
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Do you even know what the Qur'an says?? At least I have educated myself about it to know that there are too many verses in it that advocate killing people who don't believe in Islam. Want me to list a few, or do you want to Google it for yourself?? It's not hard to find.
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As long as they search for the things like this as well

Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. -- The Noble Quran, 109:1-6
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Or this...

But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). -- The Noble Quran, 8:61
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Do you even know what the Qur'an says?? At least I have educated myself about it to know that there are too many verses in it that advocate killing people who don't believe in Islam. Want me to list a few, or do you want to Google it for yourself?? It's not hard to find.
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yes I do but I'm sure you've read it in original language and fully understand the meaning. I mean no one could really talk with such conviction unless they have spoken with many Muslims and done their own research.

The fact is you'll take a few passages you found with google, copy/paste them with no context and be convinced you are right.
 
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emainvol said:
CS, I get what you are saying, but unless you are suggesting that all Christians are and should be complete pacifists, I don't understand the relevance.
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I guess I cannot make it any clearer. Jesus never preached killing, war, violence, etc. as a means of any sort of response to any sort of action. Muhammed did. Look at the lives of both. Look at their words and actions. I do not see where Jesus warred with anyone and followed directions to behead those who disbelieve. We're not talking "defend yourself" here. We're talking a command to behead prisoners who disbelieve. 8:39 basically says fight until there is no more persecution and the faith (religion) is all for Allah. Again, compare to Christianity and find the similarities.
 
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utvolpj said:
yes I do but I'm sure you've read it in original language and fully understand the meaning. I mean no one could really talk with such conviction unless they have spoken with many Muslims and done their own research.

The fact is you'll take a few passages you found with google, copy/paste them with no context and be convinced you are right.
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Ok slick Mod, go find me ONE passage in the New Testament that deals with killing and Jesus saying do it in his name?? Find one, PLEASE!! Hey OldVol75, make sure you tell him the answer will be ZERO passages found. :)
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Yes sir!! To act like any other answer is acceptable, is nonsense to me and any other Christian alive. Go ask one that same question and see if you don't get the same response 9 out of 10 times. Your always going to have that 1 person though that tries to say that non-Christians should get in the Word first, but that's a big mistake and causes more problems than it does answering questions.

In response to the question you asked about Muslims, if they commit violence and spread hate towards the US, why in the world is it that hard to understand that they don't like us and they want to kill us and all other infidels they can??
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so how about a reformed Christian who did plenty of study? Can they possibly understand and comment or is that only for current members?

you also never answered the question why only true Christians can understand the word of God but you can claim to fully understand Islam.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Ok slick Mod, go find me ONE passage in the New Testament that deals with killing and Jesus saying do it in his name?? Find one, PLEASE!! Hey OldVol75, make sure you tell him the answer will be ZERO passages found. :)
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where did I say there was one?
 
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Oldvol75 said:
Are you making an assumption here, or just wishing?
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i know that in the places where education is low and civilization is basically as it was 500 years ago that radical and violent islams is prevalant and in areas where education is high this is not even remotely true. i don't find this to be coincidental, nor do i find it coincidental that christians scaled down their killing of people in the name of the bible during the age of enlightenemnt.
 
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utvolpj said:
so only a Christian would truly understand the word of God? And why doesn't this apply to Islam?
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Does not Islam come onto the sceen a few thousand years after Christianity? What Christinaity teaches and what Islam teach aren't in the same neighborhood! Muslims teach that if you don't convert to Islam you must be killed. How many Christains have threatened to kill you if you don't convert?
 
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So are we just going to ignore the verses I find because they fly in the face of everything the Anti-Muslims are spouting?
 
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droski said:
it's your interpretation that only jesus' words in teh bible are the ones that matter. christians for centuries disagreed with you.
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What Christians thought at various points in time do not matter when comparing the two scriptures. Christians for centuries also agreed with me. But you still lose focus of the discussion. I can show you in word and deed where the foundation of Islam advocated killing based on disbelief and persecution. Please show me where the foundation of Christianity did the same.
 
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