Obama to decline public financing

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Presidential election polls taken in June are about as worthwhile as Top 25 football polls/bowl predictions released in April. They both provide a topic for discussion, but have little to do with how things actually turn out.
 
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and you thought the yankees payroll was bloated...just wait till the final numbers come out on this....
 
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Obama wrote: "In February 2007, I proposed a novel way to preserve the strength of the public financing system in the 2008 election. My plan requires both major party candidates to agree on a fundraising truce, return excess money from donors, and stay within the public financing system for the general election. My proposal followed announcements by some presidential candidates that they would forgo public financing so they could raise unlimited funds in the general election. The Federal Election Commission ruled the proposal legal, and Senator John McCain (R-AZ) has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."
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:question:
 
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Hardly surprising news. If you had the fundraising infrastructure that he apparently has, why would you limit yourself to $84 million?
 
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Chemvol said:
Hardly surprising news. If you had the fundraising infrastructure that he apparently has, why would you limit yourself to $84 million?
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You're right, no need to keep your promises to the American people. This election is becoming a sitcom
 
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MG1968 said:
Presidential election polls taken in June are about as worthwhile as Top 25 football polls/bowl predictions released in April. They both provide a topic for discussion, but have little to do with how things actually turn out.
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I guess.....unless they favor the guy you plan to vote for. I remember plenty of times people in the past bringing up McCain's poll numbers and I don't remember you stopping to remind them of this. All of a sudden the other guy is ahead and now poll numbers don't matter? True, they won't decide a winner but it is rather interesting that Obama is leading in a state (Florida) that we've been told he didn't have a chance in hell of winning. All I heard was that the Dem winner could not win Florida after what happened to Florida and Michigan in the primaries. I can take away the idea that he can at least compete in that state and possibly win. He is also ahead in states that he got hammered by Hillary in. I think that is rather significant news for a poll that doesn't matter. I think it's also interesting that voters from those states that Hillary won do not want her as a VP candidate also.
 
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utvolpj said:
You're right, no need to keep your promises to the American people. This election is becoming a sitcom
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A politician keeping promises would be real "change."

In our sound-bite society, no one who gets their news only from the talking heads on TV is going to remember he said the exact opposite a year ago.
 
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utvolpj said:
You're right, no need to keep your promises to the American people. This election is becoming a sitcom
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:yes: It is smart though. You make a promise thinking you will need the benefits of that promise later. When you find out it no longer helps you, throw that promise out and make a new one. This is the "change" he spoke of?
 
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KB5252 said:
:yes: It is smart though. You make a promise thinking you will need the benefits of that promise later. When you find out it no longer helps you, throw that promise out and make a new one. This is the "change" he spoke of?
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all we need from Obama now is a "malaise" speech and it will be confirmed that all he really represents is a second Jimmy Carter term.
 
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Chemvol said:
A politician keeping promises would be real "change."

In our sound-bite society, no one who gets their news only from the talking heads on TV is going to remember he said the exact opposite a year ago.
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If you're voting for a candidate based on character and honesty than you don't have a dog in the hunt.
 
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Honest individuals of good character usually find something more agreeable to their conscience than running for public office.
 
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MG1968 said:
Presidential election polls taken in June are about as worthwhile as Top 25 football polls/bowl predictions released in April. They both provide a topic for discussion, but have little to do with how things actually turn out.
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MG, your point is well taken. Case in point: the democratic nomination race; based on early polling, who would've guessed, all things considered, Obama would be the eventual winner? I also think it's hard to deny the apparent momentum he is carrying into the general election season. I'm not persuaded at all, when that momentum is considered, that early polling means nothing.
 
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615 Vol said:
I remember plenty of times people in the past bringing up McCain's poll numbers and I don't remember you stopping to remind them of this.
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Who touted McCainams poll numbers, when and what was the context?

Or did you just need an excuse to pretend that the current polls matter and pretend that Obama is going to win FL?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Who touted McCainams poll numbers, when and what was the context?

Or did you just need an excuse to pretend that the current polls matter and pretend that Obama is going to win FL?
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I think McCain will win Florida, but Obama has a legitimate shot.

As for the campaign financing, I have a feeling he wouldn't have said what he said last year if he knew the position he would be in now. That does not excuse it, but he has to do something with all the money, taking public financing just doesn't make sense.
 
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All Vol! said:
MG, your point is well taken. Case in point: the democratic nomination race; based on early polling, who would've guessed, all things considered, Obama would be the eventual winner? I also think it's hard to deny the apparent momentum he is carrying into the general election season. I'm not persuaded at all, when that momentum is considered, that early polling means nothing.
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then why is he not polling higher? statistically, they're in a dead heat. with all the momentum against the GOP and with all the media driven attention of Obama, shouldn't he be polling well outside the margin for error?
 
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emainvol said:
As for the campaign financing, I have a feeling he wouldn't have said what he said last year if he knew the position he would be in now. That does not excuse it, but he has to do something with all the money, taking public financing just doesn't make sense.
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of course he wouldn't have said it if he knew how it would turn out. He used the original pledge to earn political points so it's no surprise he's breaking it when it benefits him again. The sad fact is that this will get ignored in the MSM and most of the people voting for him won't even know it happened. But then again, most don't know what he stands for anyway so it wouldn't matter.

You know, I can respect someone who stands for something even if it is the exact opposite of my personal views. BHO is losing any of that as if becomes more obvious who he really is.
 
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kptvol said:
If more people held this belief Obama wouldn't be sitting near as pretty as he is right now.
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Tell me a politician who has always kept their word, not lied, not been involved in any scandals.

This is not an excuse b/c Obama's "my guy," btw.

Voters (me included) are often misguided by things like character. The truth is, they all fall along the same lines when it comes to character. You think Reagan was a better guy than Clinton? George W. Bush better than Carter? Etc.

Aren't all politicians flawed? Self-motivated? Corrupted (to an extent)? They will do what it takes to get power and then keep power as long as they can. Dig into the closets of any politician running for office, you're going to find more than you know what to do with. Don't they have to make some sacrifices to achieve a certain position? I don't think Obama is any different.

The question we should ask ourselves isn't about character. It's who we think will do the best job leading the country. Who sets the tone to US citizens and the world? Who inspires people to act? Who makes sound decisions that are in our best interests? Who can represent our best interests abroad?
 
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