Obama to decline public financing

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And character has no input to the questions you propose that we ask? Or you believe everyone has the same character?
 
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TennNC said:
Tell me a politician who has always kept their word, not lied, not been involved in any scandals.

This is not an excuse b/c Obama's "my guy," btw.

Voters (me included) are often misguided by things like character. The truth is, they all fall along the same lines when it comes to character. You think Reagan was a better guy than Clinton? George W. Bush better than Carter? Etc.

Aren't all politicians flawed? Self-motivated? Corrupted (to an extent)? They will do what it takes to get power and then keep power as long as they can. Dig into the closets of any politician running for office, you're going to find more than you know what to do with. Don't they have to make some sacrifices to achieve a certain position? I don't think Obama is any different.

The question we should ask ourselves isn't about character. It's who we think will do the best job leading the country. Who sets the tone to US citizens and the world? Who inspires people to act? Who makes sound decisions that are in our best interests? Who can represent our best interests abroad?
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You don't think the two should be connected? OK...
 
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utvolpj said:
1)The sad fact is that this will get ignored in the MSM and most of the people voting for him won't even know it happened.

2) BHO is losing any of that as if becomes more obvious who he really is.
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1) PJ - this story was on the front page of just about every paper, was a lead story on just about every radio and TV news program, and is the lead story on just about every news website -- not just MSM, but alternative sites like HuffPost. In no way is it ignored. That said, you're right that many people voting for him won't know it happened, just like many people voting against him won't know he's not a Muslim terrorist.

2) Who is he really? A politician? Just like every other presidential candidate in US history?
 
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I don't think anybody who's views mirror Karl Marx's should ever be elected POTUS. To me, the belief that socialism can work in the US is a character flaw.
 
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allvol123 said:
And character has no input to the questions you propose that we ask? Or you believe everyone has the same character?
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relative to most people's gleaming view of how things should be, yes, they have the same character.

they're all corrupt. they're all flawed.
 
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TennNC said:
relative to most people's gleaming view of how things should be, yes, they have the same character.

they're all corrupt. they're all flawed.
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I completely disagree. I understand no one is perfect and don't expect them to be. That said, I firmly believe there are differences in people's character. It really isn't even an arguable point to me.
 
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MG1968 said:
I don't think anybody who's views mirror Karl Marx's should ever be elected POTUS. To me, the belief that socialism can work in the US is a character flaw.
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Well, at least your argument isn't based on whether or not he accepts public funding.
 
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TennNC said:
Well, at least your argument isn't based on whether or not he accepts public funding.
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his rationale for declining it is a load of hooey. Right wing 527c's don't care much for McCain either and most are sitting this election out.
 
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allvol123 said:
I completely disagree. I understand no one is perfect and don't expect them to be. That said, I firmly believe there are differences in people's character. It really isn't even an arguable point to me.
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If you're referring to their ethical standards, there's marginal differences between the tiny portion of people who make it far enough to get votes for POTUS.

If you're referring to the ethical standards of all people, I believe there are significant differences.

I used to agree with you. Then I spent 3 years covering politics in DC and realized how naive I was.
 
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Let's do a quick comparison... Reagan always awore a suit and tie in the Oval Office, because he felt like the office should be showed proper respect. Compare that to what Bill did, and yeah I'd say character is important.

For the record, I would have been equally critical of a Republican if he had done something like that.
 
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MG1968 said:
his rationale for declining it is a load of hooey. Right wing 527c's don't care much for McCain either and most are sitting this election out.
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His rationale for declining has nothing to do with McCain or 527c's. It has everything to do with the fact that he thinks he can raise a butt-load more money than McCain if untethered. It gives him an advantage, plain and simple.
 
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TennNC said:
1) PJ - this story was on the front page of just about every paper, was a lead story on just about every radio and TV news program, and is the lead story on just about every news website -- not just MSM, but alternative sites like HuffPost. In no way is it ignored. That said, you're right that many people voting for him won't know it happened, just like many people voting against him won't know he's not a Muslim terrorist.

2) Who is he really? A politician? Just like every other presidential candidate in US history?
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1) Well I've been a little pre-occupied the last few days so I apologize. I will have to check out exactly what is being said before agreeing it's been truly covered. (I actually added the MSM part after typing the post just assuming. Bad idea huh?) I still think the reasons of race/religion will win him more votes than it loses him.

2) Being the same as the rest is only dangerous when you claim to be so much different.
 
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TennNC said:
If you're referring to their ethical standards, there's marginal differences between the tiny portion of people who make it far enough to get votes for POTUS.

If you're referring to the ethical standards of all people, I believe there are significant differences.

I used to agree with you. Then I spent 3 years covering politics in DC and realized how naive I was.
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The people that make it to POTUS are not necessarily any different than the masses that you agree do have varying degrees of character. They are just more in the spotlight and have more money.
 
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TennNC said:
His rationale for declining has nothing to do with McCain or 527c's. It has everything to do with the fact that he thinks he can raise a butt-load more money than McCain if untethered. It gives him an advantage, plain and simple.
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He's the one claiming to be different, that's the point.
 
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Fine Vol said:
LOL TennNC says one post and here come the defenders of the republic like ants.
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What is there to defend? He said one thing and did the opposite. How does that fit in the CHANGE message? The only change he appears to be actively pursuing is the stuff in your pocket.
 
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he's already changed late night comedy. they're so scared of being called racists they're reduced to stupid Jimmy Kimmel skits.
 
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MG1968 said:
I agree that his fundraising prowess is unequaled, but he clearly stated that his rationale was fear of the VRWC.

Broke: GOP third-party effort nonexistent - Jonathan Martin - Politico.com
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read between the lines. that's the message that's going to motivate his backers to give more, and the message you put out to the public - the thought of McCain and the GOP machine actually kicking it into high gear. And, actually, they still could, no?

But the main reason is that he thinks it can give him an advantage.

First thoughts: Two no-brainers - First Read - msnbc.com
 
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